Why is this getting no play??

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:57:23 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

... He's a genuine hero, Scott. Stop trying to make him out
to be anything else. You're better than that.

John Kerry is also a genuine hero

Er, no.

but that didn't stop the Swift Boat lies.

True enough.

Face the facts, Captain McCain was a first-class ****up as
a midshipman and an officer, the only reason it took them
so long to finally drum his ass out of the Navy was because
he was a legacy officer, the son and grandson of Admirals.

Er, no.

HTH,
R

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:57:23 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

John Kerry is also a genuine hero but that didn't stop the
Swift Boat lies.

Yeah, with a PH from "friendly fire" when he was on coastal patrol,
and a PH from "rice in the buttocks". A BS for picking up the Army
officer out of the river after HE, KERRY, knocked the guy overboard
with chicken**** maneuvers to get away from a fight. And if you think
he deserved a SS for what he did, then every swinging dick grunt in
Nam deserves one. He did nothing special.

And heros get honorable discharges, not ones from a "board of
officers".

McCain is a hero. Period. And Obama is a nothing. Never has been
anything and I pray he never will be anything. Of course Jo will
retire if he is elected. We need to cut back on our taxes, being the
unpatriotic Republicans that we are dontchaknow.

Dave

On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Why should it. Why isn't this getting any press:

Franklin Raines was a Chairman and Chief
Executive Officer at Fannie Mae. Raines was forced to retire from
his position with Fannie Mae when auditing discovered severe
irregulaties in Fannie Mae's accounting activities. At the time of
his departure The Wall Street Journal noted,
' Raines, who long defended the company's accounting despite
mounting evidence that it wasn't proper , issued a statement
late Tuesday conceding that 'mistakes were made' and saying he
would assume responsibility as he had earlier promised. News reports
indicate the company was under growing pressure from regulators to
shake up its management in the wake of findings that the
company's books ran afoul of generally accepted accounting principles
for four years.' Fannie Mae had to reduce its
surplus by $9 billio n.

Raines left with a 'golden parachute valued at $240
Million in benefits. The Government filed suit against Raines when the
depth of the accounting scandal became clear.
http://housingdoom.com/2006/12/18/fannie-charges/ . The
Government noted, ' The 101 charges reveal how the individuals
improperly manipulated earnings to maximize their bonuses, while
knowingly neglecting accounting systems and internal controls,
misapplying over twenty accounting principles and misleading the
regulator and the public. The Notice explains how they submitted six
years of misleading and inaccurate accounting statements and
inaccurate cap ital reports that enabled them to grow Fannie Mae in an
unsafe and unsound manner.' These charges were made in
2006. The Court ordered Raines to return $50 Million Dollars he
received in bonuses based on the miss-stated Fannie Mae profits.

Tim Howard - Was the
Chief Financial Officer of Fannie Mae. Howard 'was a strong internal
proponent of using accounting strategies that would ensure a 'stable
pattern of earnings' at Fannie. In everyday English - he was
cooking the books . The Government Investigation
determined that, 'Chief Financial Officer, Tim Howard, failed to
provide adequate oversight to key control and reporting functions
within Fannie Mae ,'

On June 16, 2006, Rep. Richard Baker, R-La .,
asked the Justice Department to investigate his allegations
that two former Fannie Mae executives lied to Congress
in October 2004 when theydenied manipulating the mortgage-finance
giant's income statement to achieve management pay bonuses .
Investigations by federal regulators and the company's board of
directors since concluded that management did manipulate 1998 earnings
to trigger bonuses. Raines and Howard resigned under pressure in late
2004.

Howard's Golden Parachute was estimated at $20 Million!

Jim Johnson -
A former executive at Lehman Brothers and who was
later forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO . A look
at the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's May 2006
report ; on mismanagement and corruption
inside Fannie Mae, and you'll see some interesting things about
Johnson. Investigators found that Fannie Mae had hidden a
substantial amount of Johnson's 1998 compensation from the public,
reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million when it fact
it was $21 million.' Johnson is currently under investigation
for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of
Fannie Mae.

Johnson's Golden Parachute was estimated at $28
Million.




WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

FRANKLIN RAINES? Raines works
for the Obama Campaign as Chief Economic Advisor

TIM HOWARD?
Howard is also a Chief Economic Advisor to Obama

JIM JOHNSON?
Johnson hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was
selected to run Obama's Vice Presidential Search Committee

Dave LaCourse wrote in
:

WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

FRANKLIN RAINES? Raines works
for the Obama Campaign as Chief Economic Advisor


TIM HOWARD?
Howard is also a Chief Economic Advisor to Obama


JIM JOHNSON?
Johnson hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was
selected to run Obama's Vice Presidential Search Committee




I was going to refute each one individually, but snopes covers them all at
once, Dave.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/fanniemae.asp



--
Scott
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On 7 Oct 2008 23:21:48 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/fanniemae.asp

Oh, forgive me. They are just "associted" with Obama. My mistake.
They're crooks. Look up the election commision monies given to
Presidential candidates this year. Tell me how much money McCain got
from FM and FMac and then how much Obama got.

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On 7 Oct 2008 23:21:48 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/fanniemae.asp

Oh, forgive me. They are just "associted" with Obama. My mistake.
They're crooks. Look up the election commision monies given to
Presidential candidates this year. Tell me how much money McCain got
from FM and FMac and then how much Obama got.

Dave


Dave

I also want to know why 450 pages of pork aren't getting any airtime. Our
politicians seem to be very interested into the workings of AIG and how the
execs took a million dollar vacation after the tax payers tried to bail them
out, but isn't what they did with a 3 page, 700 billion bailout the same
thing? They added 450 pages of pork and did it right in front of the
country when all eyes were focused on them.

If we think that is bad, just wait until Hussein Obama starts his 800
billion dollar spending spree. Guess who pays for that?

"Dry_Heat" wrote in message
...

I also want to know why 450 pages of pork aren't getting any airtime. Our
politicians seem to be very interested into the workings of AIG and how
the execs took a million dollar vacation after the tax payers tried to
bail them out, but isn't what they did with a 3 page, 700 billion bailout
the same thing? They added 450 pages of pork and did it right in front of
the country when all eyes were focused on them.

If we think that is bad, just wait until Hussein Obama starts his 800
billion dollar spending spree. Guess who pays for that?

As you are likely living on the dole, I suspect you won't be burdened by any
spending increases but rather gain from them.

Op --not that there's anything wrong with that--

On Oct 7, 6:06*pm, "Dry_Heat" wrote:

And where did that $450 million in pork go Dave? Next time you take a
partisan dump you ought to make sure its not targeted on your team.
But hell, maybe voting for these idiots a third time will do the
trick. Not

Or maybe you haven't heard: the country is sick and tired of right-
wing BS? The bills have come due and they have to be paid. Its time
for the adults to take over. The last time the Republicans balanced a
budget was half a century ago.

Don't fret. Drug addict America haters like Rush will still be
available 24/7 with all the blather-headed crap a right-wing dead-
ender could want. The rest of us have to live in the real world.
Independents and many real Conservatives and are going with the
Democrats this time. They are putting the country's interests over
shabby ideology.
Dave