Landslide or not?

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:24:09 -0800, rw
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:25:38 -0800, rw
wrote:


Whether or not Obama's strong victory constitutes a landslide I'll leave
to others.

What is indisputable, IMO, is that the Democrats' political fortunes
over the Republicans from the 2006 elections until now constitute a
political landslide of Biblical proportions.

From the Republicans controlling the presidency and both houses of
Congress, and speculating (and gloating) about a permanent majority,
they've come to this sorry pass -- a regional party with deep divisions
and no compelling message but the same old same-old.

Now it's up to the Democrats to show that they can get the bus out of
the ditch and govern effectively.


And if the past is any indication at all, what they will actually do is
sue the bus manufacturer for making unsafe products while raising its
taxes 50%, ramming unionization down its throat, and requiring it to
switch to only making buses that run on avocado pits and
pass-their-prime bean sprouts, thereby putting it out of business.
They'll then loot a truck manufacturer to pay the former employees not
only their former wages, but give them a big raise as a "stimulus" and
make it illegal for mortgage companies to foreclose on their houses and
cars when they fail to make payments...and they'll pay them via prepaid
Visa cards...of which they'll **** up the distribution...

HTH,
R

Gosh, for such a nonpartisan guy you sure are worked up.

Worked up? Ya know, I've never understood that - how people think they
can tell "worked up" from "calm" via the written word of people they
have never even talked to, much less actually know. IAC, believe me or
don't, but I can't ever remember being "worked up" while reading or
posting to ROFF (or doing anything like it) - it's just not the way I'm
wired, if you will.

Against my better judgment, I'll ask you a serious question (while not
expecting a serious answer).

Do you want our President-elect to succeed?

Absolutely. I want _every_ US POTUS to succeed. At least by my
definition of success. But the biggest hurdle he faces is not the
economy, the wars, Iran, al Queda, energy, or anything like that. It's
divisiveness - it's assholes like Emanuel, Limboob, Carville, the
Clintons, Rove, Reid, Wright, Jackson, Farrakhan, etc., and it's not
mainly GOP _or_ Dem, it's pretty evenly spread around among the parties.
He claimed to see the US as one and pledged to run that way. He didn't.
He also pledged to govern that way. It remains to be seen what he does.
And I sincerely hope he succeeds...and IMO, while it won't be proof of
success, it'll be a pretty good sign if most of Congress disagrees with
him, but is too scared of the public to cross him. And if he does
succeed, there will be "MObama" (Hmmm...Copyright, RDean....) signs on
everything I own come about 2011...

TC,
R
....and for the record, the only political sign, sticker, etc. that I
owned or possessed this election was a single Obama poster/sign, and I
displayed none at all, nor have I ever in my adult life, either for or
against. I did have, and still have, a fair amount of Carter stuff, the
only "political message" material I've ever owned, save, now, the single
Obama sign.

On Nov 7, 11:25*am, rw wrote:
Whether or not Obama's strong victory constitutes a landslide I'll leave
to others.

What is indisputable, IMO, is that the Democrats' political fortunes
over the Republicans from the 2006 elections until now constitute a
political landslide of Biblical proportions.
Snip

Biblical. Absolutely. I think The Lord has delivered the Bushies into
our hands for correction and chastisement. I suspect one of the first
acts of Al Hussein O'bama will be a registration requirement for all
committed conservative Rs at fire stations across the land. I do not
look upon this as punishment, but rather the first step toward their
"re-education," possibly in the fresh air of the newly established
camps a-building in the Nevada desert. This will be "for their own
good," and also to free up housing for the influx of Wahabi Saudi
"instructors" needed to give the proper flavor to Plan
23334.axf, .oo8, of the Commissariat for the Reform of Education.

Dave
O'bama is a secret Irishman right?

On Nov 7, 11:33*pm, DaveS wrote:


Biblical. Absolutely. I think The Lord has delivered the Bushies into
our hands for correction and chastisement.

So what are you going to do? Paint pictures of them sucking off monkey
´s?

Some of you people are obviously not compos mentis. The ****ing
election is over, Obama won it, and you ought to be looking to the
future and how things might be improved, but few of you are, instead
you are wasting time and effort on nonsense and trivialities, and it
appears there are some of you who are unable to grasp reality at all.

The main cause of your failures, in many areas, is people like you.
It makes little difference who nominally leads you, your individual
behaviour is an excellent indicator of your collective behaviour.

If you want things to change you have to change the things you can
control, and basically the only thing you can control much is
yourself. Although some of you obviously can´t even do that.

Unlikely that you will even understand. Oh well.................

On 7-Nov-2008, wrote:

The main cause of your failures, in many areas, is people like you.
It makes little difference who nominally leads you, your individual
behavior is an excellent indicator of your collective behaviour.

If you want things to change you have to change the things you can
control, and basically the only thing you can control much is
yourself. Although some of you obviously can´t even do that.

Unlikely that you will even understand. Oh well.................

Mike You will not win any popularity contests - ever - However you are
correct , unfortunately, in your comments.

Lets hope Obama does pull out of Iraq (I could give a rats ass about whether
their gov't is stable or not)
Perhaps Obama could even divert the impending war in Iran
However I do not think that he has the power to do either as the military
industrial complex - armament mfrs a & few intentional corporations &
families own the world and the American Prez is really a figurehead

I hope that I am wrong and that we do see change but I would also not be
surprised if Obama is assassinated
The US ( a violent country) is not ready for a black man to lead them.
I am.

Again I hope that I am wrong and if so I for one, would dance in the
streets, if we became truly a gout of and for the people
It has never been so in my lifetime and we have never been further away than
now
The last administration were openly overt, greedy, warmongers , profiteers
and crooks

I would like to see the federal gov't spending our billions of tax $$ here
on US citizens instead of bombing the desert making Raytheon and KBR etc
wealthy

I can control myself but honestly I have little hope for the nation
collectively
I am skeptical about a country that idolizes rock stars and baseball players
making untold millions
I have little hope for the collective consciousness of the US people
watching American Idol, Survivor and its untold # of spin offs and other
**** like that.

Yet I did see a ray of hope in this landslide
I think that the results were as repudiation of the last 8 yrs of assholes
running this country as it was a cry loud and clear for change!

It is time for a change and I (still at this point an American citizen) am
ready for it.

Fred

On Nov 8, 12:54*pm, "Fred" wrote:

Fred maybe if you hang around long enuf you will come to understand
just why MC gets the response he does, left and right. It is, very
briefly, because he is a big cry baby with a monster ego. His
comments never have revealed ANY civic involvements, other than Mikey
as all knowing expert on world fishing based on his experiences in a
tiny fraction of the world. Even so he does know a lot, but you never
are supposed to disagree. That challenges his "honor." Perhaps one day
you will have this fraidy cat wish for your death across the reaches
of the net because you disagree with one of his pronouncements, or do
not kowtow to his weird sense of entitlement. I deal with his net
stalking behaviour by imagining I am painting him expertly blowing
monkeys. It helps.

Dave
I am positive about the USA and its future, Obama yes, but more than
just this change.

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:25:22 -0800 (PST), DaveS
wrote:

On Nov 8, 12:54*pm, "Fred" wrote:

Fred maybe if you hang around long enuf you will come to understand
just why MC gets the response he does, left and right. It is, very
briefly, because he is a big cry baby with a monster ego. His
comments never have revealed ANY civic involvements, other than Mikey
as all knowing expert on world fishing based on his experiences in a
tiny fraction of the world. Even so he does know a lot, but you never
are supposed to disagree. That challenges his "honor." Perhaps one day
you will have this fraidy cat wish for your death across the reaches
of the net because you disagree with one of his pronouncements, or do
not kowtow to his weird sense of entitlement. I deal with his net
stalking behaviour by imagining I am painting him expertly blowing
monkeys. It helps.

Well, now, there's your answer, Fred - you can imagine Dave imagining
himself painting Mike blowing...oops...EXPERTLY blowing monkeys...

Dave
I am positive about the USA and its future, Obama yes, but more than
just this change.

Yeah, with folks like you and Fred in the USA, how can its future be
anything but positive...well, once the proper people have been tortured
and executed, of course...

Sheesh,
R
....and just how is it that you know the difference between "expertly"
and oh, say, "mediocre" or "****-poor" when it comes to monkey
blowing...? I mean, speaking only for myself, I'm not embarrassed to
admit that I wouldn't know expertise in monkey blowing if I were looking
right at it...and well, I guess I might as well also admit that I'd just
be too polite to ask the monkey...hey, don't ask, don't tell...

On Nov 8, 10:25*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Nov 8, 12:54*pm, "Fred" wrote:

Fred maybe if you hang around long enuf you will come to understand
just why MC gets the response he does, left and right. It is, very
briefly, *because he is a big cry baby with a monster ego. His
comments never have revealed ANY civic involvements, other than Mikey
as all knowing expert on world fishing based on his experiences in a
tiny fraction of the world. Even so he does know a lot, but you never
are supposed to disagree. That challenges his "honor." Perhaps one day
you will have this fraidy cat wish for your death across the reaches
of the net because you disagree with one of his pronouncements, or do
not kowtow to his weird sense of entitlement. I deal with his net
stalking behaviour by imagining I am painting him expertly blowing
monkeys. It helps.

Dave
I am positive about the USA and its future, Obama yes, but more than
just this change.

You really are a poor sad dumbo, completely balmy, and weird to boot.
Extremely doubtful that anybody wants to hear about your perverse
hallucinations, they merely indicate your lack of grip on reality. I
would tell you to get a life, but it seems you´ve already had it, such
as it was. Always amazes me how a nutjob like you manages to survive
long at all without intensive care. Anybody reading the ****e you post
could make an excellent case for having you committed on grounds of
insanity.

Seems you can´t stand being just another useless and ineffectual
dumbo, and it´s driven you potty. You are to be pitied more than
anything else, but that still does not excuse your behaviour.

On Nov 8, 9:54*pm, "Fred" wrote:

I would like to see the federal gov't spending our billions of tax $$ here
on US citizens instead of bombing the desert making Raytheon and KBR etc
wealthy

I can control myself but honestly *I have little hope for the nation
collectively
I am skeptical about a country that idolizes rock stars and baseball players
making untold millions
I have little hope for the collective consciousness of the US people
watching American Idol, Survivor and its untold # of spin offs and other
**** like that.

Yet I did see a ray of hope in this landslide
I think that the results were as repudiation of the last 8 yrs of assholes
running this country as it was a cry loud and clear for change!

It is time for a change and I (still at this point an American citizen) am
ready for it.

Fred

It´s a little too simplistic to say that a country gets the government
it deserves, but there is some truth in it. Unfortunately, the
tendency is always to blame others for whatever goes wrong, and also
to codify various things in order to have a target as such to rail at.

In all the various political factions there are "good" and "bad"
people, and there are a lot of people doing good and bad things for
what they perceive as the right reasons, or for various other
motivations like personal gain, power, religion, ideology, etc.
Unfortunately, due to the mass involved, these things have become ever
more complex and intertwined. It is quite impossible for any "normal"
individual to influence these things, but one can still influence
oneself. The more individuals there are doing "good" things, and
eschewing "bad" things, the greater the tendency for the mass to do
the same.

In an ideal situation, this should automatically result in the
greatest good for the greatest number. There will always be people who
are dissatisfied with what they have, or how they live, quite
regardless of how well off they are. Nevertheless, one must keep in
mind that the Western world as a whole enjoys a very high standard of
living, very much in advance of the rest of the world, and actually
the majority of people have little to complain about. Also interesting
is that the people who have the most are the ones who do the most
complaining and whining for "more" and "better", or indeed begrudge
others what they have, or indeed are.

By and large, the standard of living, the value of life, freedom, and
education, and indeed the average lifespan itself, have all increased
steadily for a long time in all the Western nations. Many illnesses
have been beaten, the "quality of life" as such is for very many
people largely a matter of individual choice, free speech and the rule
of law hold sway, people are safer and more secure than they ever have
been.

Individuals are of course still subject to the vagaries of the human
condition, like illness, personal tragedy, and various random events
causing them problems. Poverty and ignorance are still major problems,
also largely a result of inadequate education.

Various groups, and of course many individuals, still vie to control
what other people do, or even think, power over others is apparently
extremely important to them. There is little one can do about it,
except resist to the best of one´s ability.

Even the simple fact that you can write whatever you want to on here
is an indication that you are not only one of the privileged, but able
to use that privilege in any way you please.

What this actually means, is that you would be better off, and so
might many others, if you ceased whining and complaining, and thought
about what you might do to help those less well off than yourself. Who
knows? You might then also be a great deal happier as well.

Indeed, and more to the point here, this group would be far better
off, more enjoyable, and more popular, if those involved ceased
abusing it, ( thus imposing, or attempting to impose, their will on
others), and allowed it to return to its original purpose.

Their consistent refusal to do so merely indicates their contempt for
others, and in many cases their entirely miserable and debased
characters.

On 8-Nov-2008, wrote:

Even the simple fact that you can write whatever you want to on here
is an indication that you are not only one of the privileged, but able
to use that privilege in any way you please.

What this actually means, is that you would be better off, and so
might many others, if you ceased whining and complaining, and thought
about what you might do to help those less well off than yourself. Who
knows? You might then also be a great deal happier as well.


Yes I definitely do realize the former but pls also remember that those
rights exist within parameters - to a pointt at which one becomes relevant
or threateming to the powers that be.

To address the former

Who the **** is whining?'

I don't whine !
Mu grandson whines!
I may wine but I do not whine and what I do to benefit those worse of then
myself - You have no ****ing clue?
So who the **** are you to imply anything about me -jerkoff!

I know, I do ****ing know. how fortunate I am - scumbag!
I have land food fish, animals and a family a fly rod or 2 and a musical
instrument or 3

What the **** do you know about me to say that I whine or imply that I do
not care for those less fortunate?
Go **** yourself jacko!
I will ****in knock you socks off - mo fo

However it is true thatt I have misanthropic leanings - esp reading some of
your posts
Altho this last one was quite lucid.

Fred