OT It could be, it might be, it is !!!

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:40:09 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote:

yea, right...whay do you hate america ?

He's probably a curd...

HTH,
R




On Apr 14, 12:35*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
A homerun.

He did it several times on the campaign trail but he did it today
for the first time as President. Obama delivered a major economic
speech at Georgetown University and he knocked it out of the
ballpark. *WAY* out of the ballpark. Wow.

I'm going to call it the "House on the Rock" speech and this one
was one for the history books. If you haven't read it or heard it
yet hie thee to the Internet and behold. We have a President who
gets it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:50:50 -0700 (PDT), "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote:

petty...and kinda sad..........oh well.......i am pretty
busy today doing tax returns........

Then good news - the Obama Administration has said it would support leniency for
those with tax problems...well, at least it's good news for those whose tax
returns you are doing...

Sheesh,
R




On Apr 14, 2:00*pm, Frank Reid wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:47*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

yea, right...why do you hate america ?

Too late, you've been quoted, tagged and reviewed.
Frank Reid

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:57:11 -0700, "asadi"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
A homerun.

He did it several times on the campaign trail but he did it today
for the first time as President. Obama delivered a major economic
speech at Georgetown University and he knocked it out of the
ballpark. *WAY* out of the ballpark. Wow.

I'm going to call it the "House on the Rock" speech and this one
was one for the history books. If you haven't read it or heard it
yet hie thee to the Internet and behold. We have a President who
gets it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Damned fine speech....

I'm honestly asking - why?

TIA,
R

John

On Apr 15, 9:02*am, wrote:
Ken Fortenberry

Damned fine speech....

I'm honestly asking - why?

TIA,
R


Because considering the **** storm WE are in, it was kind of hopeful
in a "steady as she goes" kind of way. Rick, NO one, KNOWS exactly how
to steer the course because NO ONE knows exactly how the effects of
the macroeconomic tools, and monetary tools are calibrated at the
levels being used. When Mariner Eccles, Roosevelt's banker/advisor,
(and fellow UTAH alum ;0))) pulled the levers to save capitalism the
last time capitalist greed almost pushed this country into communism,
the economic systems were much simpler. But even then there was a high
degree of uncertainty.

This situation is even more uncertain now. For example, the old
equations defining the relationships between consumer spending and
employment, domestic manufacturing orders, capital goods orders, etc
no longer hold. And economists across the political spectrum, were
caught short. So anyone saying they know that a consumer driven
recovery from this recession will occur with this or that
characteristic is talking thru their ass, Rs or Ds. And there are lots
of other relationships that are no longer well understood or stable in
the bull**** "financial services," debtor state economy we became
addicted to in the last decade.

Politics wise, history seems to be repeating itself. When Republican
Herbert Hoover went into denial and did nothing effective after the
crash of 1929, the country spiraled into Depression. The capitalist
system itself failed and the nation drifted toward communism as
suffering took its toll on working and middle class Americans. The
Republicans did the same kind of hyena-like harassing **** as they are
doing today. . . ironically it was the Democrats who saved the
capitalist system from itself.

Then, as Fascism and Communism grew in Europe, the Republicans flirted
with Fascism, running around in fascist uniforms, Sam Brown belts,
Bund rallies, and jack boots, playing stiff little American style
Nazis. And some lefties became enamoured with Bolshevism. If history
keeps repeating itself can we expect to see the RNC decked out in
slouch hats and riding pants by the end of Obama's first term? Will
Dennis Kucinisch be cuddling up in China's Central Committee?

Dave
If I am still around my bet will still be on the USA.

only cause they realize how much $$ it costs to collect....


" Then good news - the Obama Administration has said it
would support leniency for those with tax problems."

wrote in message
...
Damned fine speech....

I'm honestly asking - why?

TIA,
R

and, this time, I can't bash you for nitpicking. It was a decent,
politically targeted, Presidential speech. As one who worked to get Obama
elected, and is overall well pleased by his early performance, I still am a
bit uneasy with the 'swoon' level generated by some who support him and the
Democratic Party. I'm sort of made to think of the line by Mr.Wolf in 'Pulp
Fiction' in which he admonishes the two hit men about getting too
self-congratulatory. There, it's funny, but this sort of gushing over
routine speeches and such elevates both the public expectations and the odor
of bull**** to dangerous levels, IMO. Good speech, well delivered. Great?
One to be given a cute Pet Name in the history books? Get a grip, and leave
history to be written with the clarity of distance.
Tom

"DaveS" wrote in message
...
For example, the old
equations defining the relationships between consumer spending and
employment, domestic manufacturing orders, capital goods orders, etc
no longer hold.


Really? Explain your thinking, if you could, because I doubt that many of
those relationships have changed greatly.



Politics wise, history seems to be repeating itself.

it'll do that. History of all sorts generally repeats itself. Economic
history is a notable example.....


Tom

what's barrack hussein obama hiding & why?

"asadi" wrote in message
news
Okay, I'll rephrase that. It was the best presidential speech I have heard
eight years....

that would be fair enough!
Tom

On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:39:05 -0700, "asadi"
wrote:


"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Damned fine speech....

I'm honestly asking - why?

TIA,
R

and, this time, I can't bash you for nitpicking. It was a decent,
politically targeted, Presidential speech. As one who worked to get Obama
elected, and is overall well pleased by his early performance, I still am
a bit uneasy with the 'swoon' level generated by some who support him and
the Democratic Party. I'm sort of made to think of the line by Mr.Wolf in
'Pulp Fiction' in which he admonishes the two hit men about getting too
self-congratulatory. There, it's funny, but this sort of gushing over
routine speeches and such elevates both the public expectations and the
odor of bull**** to dangerous levels, IMO. Good speech, well delivered.
Great? One to be given a cute Pet Name in the history books? Get a grip,
and leave history to be written with the clarity of distance.
Tom


Okay, I'll rephrase that. It was the best presidential speech I have heard
eight years....

john

Um, "nitpicking?" By asking why it was so special? I didn't see it, I only
read the copy of the speech _as intended_ (IOW, not even a transcript as given,
if it varied - and no, no "teleprompter" swipe intended - sometimes the delivery
can make so-so speech copy special and Obama is genuinely skilled at doing so).
And if it was 45 minutes long, I won't see it until at least the weekend.

Here's my confusion: Tom seems to indicate it was fair, Ken is having multiple
orgasms, John is apparently pretty impressed, and I've haven't read what
"beancounter" opined, but I'm pretty sure it's something asinine and
Limpdickesque. The coverage of it I've seen - all from the business press -
seemed to take two single sentences about whether the economy is getter better
or not and wind up with diametrically opposed takes on what he said. Top it off
with the WH Press Secretary openly stating it contained "nothing new." I'm not
bashing anyone, just observing that there sure seems to be a lot of differing
opinions about this speech, even from Obama supporters and staff.

TC,
R