Under the spreading chestnut tree....

On Nov 4, 7:47*am, rw wrote:
Giles wrote:
On Nov 4, 4:35 am, rw wrote:

Moron.

So.....you don't want any chestnuts?

g.

Imbecile.

You, of all people, really should take some of them and plant them.
After all, wouldn't it be nice to be remembered for
something.....anything.....more than just hating?

g.
the boy just WILL NOT learn!

Giles wrote:

g.
who, due to circumstance largely beyond his control, hasn't wet a line
in over a year........well, some of them are beyond his control,
anyway.

Ask your doctor about Viagra. And if you have an erection lasting more
than four hours, don't consult your doctor. Call a hooker.

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Giles wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:47 am, rw wrote:

Giles wrote:

On Nov 4, 4:35 am, rw wrote:

Moron.

So.....you don't want any chestnuts?

g.

Imbecile.


You, of all people, really should take some of them and plant them.
After all, wouldn't it be nice to be remembered for
something.....anything.....more than just hating?

g.
the boy just WILL NOT learn!

Numb nuts.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Nov 4, 7:50*am, jeff wrote:
Giles wrote:

Becky and I have about five hundred of them......the details of the
acquisition (which necessarily include yet another paean to the great
fundamental driving principle of the universe, coincidence) are fodder
for another time....to be provided to anyone who asks.....or who asks
for nuts. *Meanwhile, here they are, free for the asking ("free"
refering strictly to the cost of acquisition.....they may, over the
lifespan of the trees.....or yours, for that matter.....require some
small cost in care and attention).

So, who wants to save a specis?

giles

ok!!

i know a few acres on england branch in graham county that would like to
participate. *perhaps you guys can attend to the planting one month next
spring, or we can arrange suitable instructions for planting by one
lacking a green thumb, with seeds to be delivered before i make my next
pilgrimage?

jeff

Well strike me ****in' dumb and blind! Graham county is as likely a
candidate for the ancient ancestral birthplace of the proto-American
Chestnut as any place on Earth.....and it never occurred to me! What
better place to stage a resurrection?

Seeds are currently refrigerated, and will remain so through January.
Like so many other plants in "temperate" latitudes (why is it that
nobody ever talks about longitudes where climate is concerned?
Reykjavík is considerably farther north than Fargo, and guess in
which place you'd rather spend a winter in a teepee or yurt or
whatthe****ever) the chestnut has evolved mechanisms for dealing with
prolonged cold spells (actually, biologists have long known that it
isn't the cold, per se, that troubles so many critters.....it's the
lack of liquid water.....or, drought, to speak in the vernacular, that
makes winter such a bitch in places where temperatures hovering below
zero celsius reign for months at a time). These mechanisms have worked
very well (we know this because all these multifarious species have
survived.....Q.E.D., ainna?) but the law of unintended consequences
(like the great fundamental organizing principle of the
universe.....coincidence) is inexorable and exacts a heavy
toll......the fukkers CAN'T reproduce without having their nuts (so to
speak) frozen (more or less) for a few months! HAH! Bottom line is
that seeds won't be ready until after they have cooled their jets for
a couple/three months and then get slowly humidified in a refrigerated
bath of moist dirt and sphagnum moss for another couple/three weeks.
In short, shipping will take place in early February.....more or
less. Detailed instructions for care and feeding for the next couple
of years will accompany each shipment........this ain't a "benign
neglect" kinda proposition, given that the former dominance of the
species was dependent as much on profligate reproduction (which we
cannot match with a few measly hundreds of nuts) as on anything else.

How many ya want?

giles

On Nov 4, 1:52*pm, DaveS wrote:


I can plant some. I understand that they do ok into the southern BC
mainland down into Oregon.

Interesting. I've heard and read virtually nothing about chestnut
plantings west of the Mississippi. But it stands to reason that they
have been widely planted outside their native range, as our own
experience here in Curdistan attests. Moreover, horticulturists in
general have always found it impossible to resist the temptation to
plant exotics......witness the fact that this is precisely how
Castanea dentata got into trouble in the first place......and
precisely why salvation still looms on the horizon.

I will try a few here in Pugetopolis, and a
few in a non-native hedge row over on the dryside (SE WA,)

C. dentata was preeminently the dominant species of the Appalachian
mountain chain, which is to say that it is naturally suited to a
regime of moderate elevation and a moist climate with moderate
temperatures. That said, experience has shown that it is notoriously
unfussy with regard to growing conditions. It does well in a
relatively wide range of soil types, moisture levels, temperature
ranges, and other variables. It is also an extraordinarily fast
grower.....for a deciduous hardwood in a temperate climate. It easily
outstrips its native competitors, oak, walnut, butternut, hickory,
maple, bass, etc. Not quite as fast as aspens, some willows, and a
few others (including the monstrous exobiotic eucalypts) but easily
the fastest grower among the hardwoods with which it naturally
occured. My friend, Larry, has a good few four year old trees (both
natives and hybrids) that are as much as ten to twelve feet tall and
are already producing viable seed. His chestnuts in the twelve to
eighteen year class far exceed the growth of all the walnuts and oaks
they grow among. One lovely eighteen year old specimen (from which we
harvested many nuts in the past few weeks) stands about thirty feet
tall and an astonishing 14 inches dbh, as compared to the twenty foot
height and 10 or inches dbh of the surrounding oaks and walnuts.

I think
there are some over in the older areas of Walla Walla settled before
the civil War.

Perhaps the same vintage, more or less, as the famed "forest" near
West Salem , Wi., allegedly planted by a returning Civil War veteran,
and which, incidentally, was also blight free until the 1980s when it
was discovered by scientists eager to study and save and who, not so
incidentally, almost certainly infected what had remained a pristine
and blight free reservoir with spores they brought in from already
infected areas.

I understand we are mostly blight free in the West.

For now.....perhaps. But don't be too generous with gps coordinates.
Trout streams are impossible to keep secret precisely, if somewhat
quixotically, or ironically (or whatever .....ly one prefers) because
too many people care. Paradoxically, both the plight and potential
salvation of the American chestnut are inextricably linked to the fact
that nobody much gives a ****. It really is a terribly delicate
balance.

Thanx

You're welcome. So, how many you want (bearing in mind that there is
a considerable investment in varmint proofing)?

giles.

On Nov 4, 8:55*pm, Giles wrote:
On Nov 4, 1:52*pm, DaveS wrote:

I can plant some. I understand that they do ok into the southern BC
mainland down into Oregon.

Interesting. *I've heard and read virtually nothing about chestnut
plantings west of the Mississippi. *But it stands to reason that they
have been widely planted outside their native range, as our own
experience here in Curdistan attests. *Moreover, horticulturists in
general have always found it impossible to resist the temptation to
plant exotics......witness the fact that this is precisely how
Castanea dentata got into trouble in the first place......and
precisely why salvation still looms on the horizon.

I will try a few here in Pugetopolis, and a
few in a non-native hedge row over on the dryside (SE WA,)

C. dentata was preeminently the dominant species of the Appalachian
mountain chain, which is to say that it is naturally suited to a
regime of moderate elevation and a moist climate with moderate
temperatures. *That said, experience has shown that it is notoriously
unfussy with regard to growing conditions. *It does well in a
relatively wide range of soil types, moisture levels, temperature
ranges, and other variables. *It is also an extraordinarily fast
grower.....for a deciduous hardwood in a temperate climate. *It easily
outstrips its native competitors, oak, walnut, butternut, hickory,
maple, bass, etc. *Not quite as fast as aspens, some willows, and a
few others (including the monstrous exobiotic eucalypts) but easily
the fastest grower among the hardwoods with which it naturally
occured. *My friend, Larry, has a good few four year old trees (both
natives and hybrids) that are as much as ten to twelve feet tall and
are already producing viable seed. *His chestnuts in the twelve to
eighteen year class far exceed the growth of all the walnuts and oaks
they grow among. *One lovely eighteen year old specimen (from which we
harvested many nuts in the past few weeks) stands about thirty feet
tall and an astonishing 14 inches dbh, as compared to the twenty foot
height and 10 or inches dbh of the surrounding oaks and walnuts.

I think
there are some over in the older areas of Walla Walla settled before
the civil War.

Perhaps the same vintage, more or less, as the famed "forest" near
West Salem , Wi., allegedly planted by a returning Civil War veteran,
and which, incidentally, was also blight free until the 1980s when it
was discovered by scientists eager to study and save and who, not so
incidentally, almost certainly infected what had remained a pristine
and blight free reservoir with spores they brought in from already
infected areas.

I understand we are mostly blight free in the West.

For now.....perhaps. *But don't be too generous with gps coordinates.
Trout streams are impossible to keep secret precisely, if somewhat
quixotically, or ironically (or whatever .....ly *one prefers) because
too many people care. *Paradoxically, both the plight and potential
salvation of the American chestnut are inextricably linked to the fact
that nobody much gives a ****. *It really is a terribly delicate
balance.

Thanx

You're welcome. *So, how many you want (bearing in mind that there is
a considerable investment in varmint proofing)?

giles.

I'll be putting metal screen over the seeds till they sprout, then
cage. But Im not certain whether to grow them as protected seedlings,
then transplant with a cage into the hedgerow. Here the problem is
deer, and on the dryside deer and beaver. I have to plant the dryside
ponderosa at least in tubular 18" plastic and that is not very
effective so fence wire cages are really what work best, especially
for my apple trees. That means a lot fewer trees but bigger. All of
which means that I'll be growing then to seedlings at least, but more
probably 3-4 year olds.

As to the number of seeds . . . I'd like to end up with about 2 dozen
trees. So whatever you figure the germination rate etc. is, to yield
something like 24 or so.

Dave

"rw" wrote in message
...
Giles wrote:

g.
who, due to circumstance largely beyond his control, hasn't wet a line
in over a year........well, some of them are beyond his control,
anyway.

Ask your doctor about Viagra. And if you have an erection lasting more
than four hours, don't consult your doctor. Call a hooker.

I rather the term, highly skilled professional

john

Giles wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:50 am, jeff wrote:
Giles wrote:

Becky and I have about five hundred of them......the details of the
acquisition (which necessarily include yet another paean to the great
fundamental driving principle of the universe, coincidence) are fodder
for another time....to be provided to anyone who asks.....or who asks
for nuts. Meanwhile, here they are, free for the asking ("free"
refering strictly to the cost of acquisition.....they may, over the
lifespan of the trees.....or yours, for that matter.....require some
small cost in care and attention).
So, who wants to save a specis?
giles
ok!!

i know a few acres on england branch in graham county that would like to
participate. perhaps you guys can attend to the planting one month next
spring, or we can arrange suitable instructions for planting by one
lacking a green thumb, with seeds to be delivered before i make my next
pilgrimage?

jeff

Well strike me ****in' dumb and blind! Graham county is as likely a
candidate for the ancient ancestral birthplace of the proto-American
Chestnut as any place on Earth.....and it never occurred to me! What
better place to stage a resurrection?

Seeds are currently refrigerated, and will remain so through January.
Like so many other plants in "temperate" latitudes (why is it that
nobody ever talks about longitudes where climate is concerned?
Reykjavík is considerably farther north than Fargo, and guess in
which place you'd rather spend a winter in a teepee or yurt or
whatthe****ever) the chestnut has evolved mechanisms for dealing with
prolonged cold spells (actually, biologists have long known that it
isn't the cold, per se, that troubles so many critters.....it's the
lack of liquid water.....or, drought, to speak in the vernacular, that
makes winter such a bitch in places where temperatures hovering below
zero celsius reign for months at a time). These mechanisms have worked
very well (we know this because all these multifarious species have
survived.....Q.E.D., ainna?) but the law of unintended consequences
(like the great fundamental organizing principle of the
universe.....coincidence) is inexorable and exacts a heavy
toll......the fukkers CAN'T reproduce without having their nuts (so to
speak) frozen (more or less) for a few months! HAH! Bottom line is
that seeds won't be ready until after they have cooled their jets for
a couple/three months and then get slowly humidified in a refrigerated
bath of moist dirt and sphagnum moss for another couple/three weeks.
In short, shipping will take place in early February.....more or
less. Detailed instructions for care and feeding for the next couple
of years will accompany each shipment........this ain't a "benign
neglect" kinda proposition, given that the former dominance of the
species was dependent as much on profligate reproduction (which we
cannot match with a few measly hundreds of nuts) as on anything else.

How many ya want?

giles

i've never seen a live chestnut tree, or, if i did, i didn't recognize
it as such. so...i figure 10 ought to give me and england branch enough
chances, but i'll defer to your wisdom about such things. i want to
plant a few in the open at the edges of my pastured areas, and some on a
forested ridge where they are unlikely to be seen or trampeled upon. i
have a guy looking after the pasture areas (mowing, weed-eating) and i
think he will be an enthusiastic participant as well. i can relay any
instructions you provide. thanks!

jeff

On Nov 4, 8:55*pm, rw wrote:
Giles wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:47 am, rw wrote:

Giles wrote:

On Nov 4, 4:35 am, rw wrote:

Moron.

So.....you don't want any chestnuts?

g.

Imbecile.

You, of all people, really should take some of them and plant them.
After all, wouldn't it be nice to be remembered for
something.....anything.....more than just hating? * * *

g.
the boy just WILL NOT learn!

Numb nuts.

Still, t's a good thing you've got hate, otherwise you'd have
absolutely nothing to live for. You owe me big.

g.

On Nov 4, 8:43*pm, rw wrote:
Giles wrote:

g.
who, due to circumstance largely beyond his control, hasn't wet a line
in over a year........well, some of them are beyond his control,
anyway.

Ask your doctor about Viagra. And if you have an erection lasting more
than four hours, don't consult your doctor. Call a hooker.

Have you ever given any thought to why it is that our little exchanges
invariably lead to you visualizing my dick? Not that I mind.....hell
it doesn't cost ME anything.....but what sort of impression do you
suppose it leaves in the minds of readers when you announce this
obsession so persistently?

g.
guess where my hands are.