Substitutes for calftail on Trudes?

(Conan The Librarian) wrote in
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Stephen Welsh wrote in message
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The CDC will give your flies some bounce, if theres CDC in the
windg
and you drag the fly under via line manipulation then throw some
slack the fly will pop back to the surface. Can be an interesting.

Hmmmm ... interesting as in the fishies seem to like it? :-)

I should qualify what I wrote a little: If there is enough CDC in the
wing to cause the fly to pop back to the surface, yes then the fish find
it interesting. Looks emergerish I suppose. Another way of inducing a
take similar to allowing a nymph to sink then raising it in the column
in front of the fish.

It works really well at times and others less so. I suspect the CDC
adds a significant amount to the bulk of the fly making it appear
oversize. Fishing smaller than you would normally could be the answer,
but I haven't tried this smaller option often enough yet to be confident
that it makes a difference. It is also highly possible even likely I'm
misreading the situation!! ?-I


Thanks for your suggestions. I remember seeing the blow fly
before. It looks just gaudy enough to work.

It does! and there's already a variation using blue floss (use one that
doesn't darken when wet) instead of tinsel for the body. ;-)

[snip]

Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might
be worth a try.

Excellent. I've got a couple of feet but haven't yet incorporated
them into any patterns. I'll definitely give that a try.

If you haven't already got them, make sure you google back for Tom
Littleton's hints/tips on using it. He shares some great ideas.



Thanks, mate. :-)

no worries, cobber.

Steve

Stephen Welsh wrote in message .1.4...

[snip of more good advice on CDC, etc.]

If you haven't already got them, make sure you google back for Tom
Littleton's hints/tips on using it. He shares some great ideas.

Funny you should mention that. I went back and re-read some of the
snpwshoe hare threads yesterday afternoon. I wound up tying up a few
Usuals last night, some with orange thread and some with tan/cream.
The tip on putting the stuff in a blender really seemed to work well.
I was wondering how the heck I was gonna make a wing from the stuff,
but it held together really nicely, and wasn't hard to stand up
properly.

And the flies almost have a glow about them, particularly when
backlit. I can't wait to give them a try, and I think I'll tie up
some emergers with them. I now see what all the fuss was about.

Thanks again for your help.


Chuck Vance

This year Umpqua will introduce the "Green Bottle Humpy" as well to it's New
Zealand range. Another handsome fly and it catches fish in areas (talking NZ
backcountry here) where the blue bottle version has been seen by too many
trout.

Tie some for yourself, they are deadly!
--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier


"Stephen Welsh" wrote in message
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(Conan The Librarian) wrote in
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Howdy,

Aaaah, yeah, G'day ...

[trudey snip]
I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice.
I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was
just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with
substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz"
stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes.

The CDC will give your flies some bounce, if theres CDC in the windg
and you drag the fly under via line manipulation then throw some slack
the fly will pop back to the surface. Can be an interesting.


So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is
there some legitimacy to making a sub like that?

Yes.

;-)

Any other subs that
you frequently make to traditional flies?

Frequently? I wouldn't say frequently...
Gomez Adams: Black Calftail wings
Black Prince: Prince Nymph with black dyed peacock herl
Dr Wark: Tinsel Body instead of thread

Red Tag: clipped deer hair body instead of herl.
foam tag (instead of wool) and underbody

Actually some of the Mountain stream fishos might like the Blow Fly
Humpy - Black Humpy with a blue tinsel body -
http://www.flyfishingnz.co.nz/images/flies%20012.jpg


Also, I tied up a few of the CDC and elk caddis imitations
Any suggestions for other color schemes that have been
succesful for you?


Don't forget you can swing the CDC & E. Variations:
All white for a specific caddis species. Hot orange butts on tan and
natural dun coloured flys for searchers.
Untested green butt models look the goods as well.

Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might be
worth a try.


Steve (who just had an idea)

Substituting and varying existing patterns is not only great fun, but can be
the difference between success and failure in highly fished areas. Did I
mention it's fun?

If you are using a wing of CDC, try tying a few trudes using a CDC hackle as
well for a slow water pattern, no doubt it would work. am a big fan of a
fly being CDC or not and hardly ever mix stiff hackle with CDC. Just a
personal preference.

--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Howdy,

In preparation for my trip to the Crowsnest at the end of
July/beginning of August, I've been stocking up the flyboxes. From
what I've read, the Lime Trude is aa excellent all-purpose fly for
that time of year, so yesterday I started tying some. In going
through my materials, I ran across some white CDC oiler puffs, and got
to thinking about how they might work as a wing on a Trude. I tend to
fish a Trude as a combination dry/wet by letting it swing and
retrieving it like a streamer after the drift, and it seems like the
CDC might add a bit of extra appeal.

I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice.
I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was
just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with
substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz"
stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes.

So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is
there some legitimacy to making a sub like that? Any other subs that
you frequently make to traditional flies?

Also, I tied up a few of the CDC and elk caddis imitations

(http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...Product_Code=c
dc_elk100&Category_Code=cdc_elk)
and was thinking about other variations. Any suggestions for other
color schemes that have been succesful for you?


Chuck Vance

"Clark Reid" wrote in
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This year Umpqua will introduce the "Green Bottle Humpy" as well to
it's New Zealand range. Another handsome fly and it catches fish in
areas (talking NZ backcountry here) where the blue bottle version has
been seen by too many trout.


If this keeps up we'll be back around to the Wickhams Humpy in no time.

;-)


Steve

--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier


"Stephen Welsh" wrote in message
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"Clark Reid" wrote in
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This year Umpqua will introduce the "Green Bottle Humpy" as well to
it's New Zealand range. Another handsome fly and it catches fish in
areas (talking NZ backcountry here) where the blue bottle version has
been seen by too many trout.


If this keeps up we'll be back around to the Wickhams Humpy in no time.

;-)


Steve