Question about loop leaders?

Willi writes:

And there are people that spin fish there too. Who cares???

Certainly not me.

As long as
they weren't shuffling, there's nothing illegal about fishing
downstream.

Ah, but they were.

I fish dries downstream quite a bit of the time on the
Juan. On some water types, that's the best way to make a good
presentation.

Agree. I float a dry downstream all the time. I call it "bowling". As you
say, in some waters it is the only was to fish.

You don't like it, don't do it.

Don't do what, shuffle? I don't.


I watched two guys fishing on the Big Horn. They were fishing in front of each
other. Each was shuffling, but they weren't fishing their shuffle, but the
other's. They didn't seem to be catching any more fish than I was. However,
the guide pointed it out and said it was illegal.

Willi writes:

And there are people that spin fish there too. Who cares???

Certainly not me.

As long as
they weren't shuffling, there's nothing illegal about fishing
downstream.

Ah, but they were.

I fish dries downstream quite a bit of the time on the
Juan. On some water types, that's the best way to make a good
presentation.

Agree. I float a dry downstream all the time. I call it "bowling". As you
say, in some waters it is the only was to fish.

You don't like it, don't do it.

Don't do what, shuffle? I don't.


I watched two guys fishing on the Big Horn. They were fishing in front of each
other. Each was shuffling, but they weren't fishing their shuffle, but the
other's. They didn't seem to be catching any more fish than I was. However,
the guide pointed it out and said it was illegal.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Myron writes:

snippage

Screw it, too many rules to that
place.

What you say is true. It is a difficult river to learn by yourself. The
small
nymphs work best - 20 - 24. We had the pleasure of being shown the river
by an
expert, roff's own Bruce Hopper (Bruiser). He introduced me to these tiny
little nymphs that worked like a magic charm. I have used them
successfully on
other rivers.

But, then again, any new river is a challenge. It takes time and
experience to
know where the fish are holding, what they want, and how to get it to
them. I
don't think the SJ is unique to this problem.


I concur wholeheartedly, and would add that half the fun in flyfishing is
learning the river, and as far as improving your fishing skills, its the
better half. I really enjoyed the Kiddie Hole while it lasted, and to me at
least, it was very sporting. I discovered some things, some worked, most
didn't. We had more success than the others around, and the fish *weren't*
beat up. I suppose when I get better at it, and if I continuously pull out
tortured fish, I'd feel the same about moving on, but I sure wouldn't extend
my own value onto others; let them fish it if they want.

AFAIK, regardless of what label rw is trying to hang on you because you
fished there, you did nothing wrong. I hope you had a good time, caught some
fish, and it was fun. If anything, he's complimenting you on your skills by
saying that the KH was beneath you.

--riverman

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Myron writes:

snippage

Screw it, too many rules to that
place.

What you say is true. It is a difficult river to learn by yourself. The
small
nymphs work best - 20 - 24. We had the pleasure of being shown the river
by an
expert, roff's own Bruce Hopper (Bruiser). He introduced me to these tiny
little nymphs that worked like a magic charm. I have used them
successfully on
other rivers.

But, then again, any new river is a challenge. It takes time and
experience to
know where the fish are holding, what they want, and how to get it to
them. I
don't think the SJ is unique to this problem.


I concur wholeheartedly, and would add that half the fun in flyfishing is
learning the river, and as far as improving your fishing skills, its the
better half. I really enjoyed the Kiddie Hole while it lasted, and to me at
least, it was very sporting. I discovered some things, some worked, most
didn't. We had more success than the others around, and the fish *weren't*
beat up. I suppose when I get better at it, and if I continuously pull out
tortured fish, I'd feel the same about moving on, but I sure wouldn't extend
my own value onto others; let them fish it if they want.

AFAIK, regardless of what label rw is trying to hang on you because you
fished there, you did nothing wrong. I hope you had a good time, caught some
fish, and it was fun. If anything, he's complimenting you on your skills by
saying that the KH was beneath you.

--riverman

Willi writes:

Every heavily fished C&R water is going to have "scarred" up fish. The
more pressure and angler success, the more common this is. On all the
rivers I mentioned above, I've caught fish that had "scars" from being
hooked before (yes even the BIGHORN). On many heavily fished C&R rivers
the average fish is caught several times a season. Being hooked causes
some damage even from the most careful angler and from careless anglers????

I believe that is true. I see scarred fish on the Rapid late in the season.
But, I have never seen or caught a fish that was so pooped out that it
couldn't/wouldn't fight. The rainbow I took out of the KH was the most
horribly scarred fish I have ever seen, and he put up no fight except what his
body weight would supply. Nothing! He came in just like a togue (Laketrout
in a river), just like a rag doll. I felt like I had done something that was
immoral. Perhaps it's just me, but I can not appreciate that kind of
"fishing".

My experience on the Big Horn (four days of drifting) revealed no mangled fish,
nor any fish that didn't fight for his life.

Please believe me --- I am not putting down the SJ. I had a great time there
with the exception of fishing the KH and wading in the braids. I can not,
however, imagine that river in prime season. Remember, we were there in
December and there wasn't that many fishermen. I bet it is very crowded from
June - August.

Willi writes:

Every heavily fished C&R water is going to have "scarred" up fish. The
more pressure and angler success, the more common this is. On all the
rivers I mentioned above, I've caught fish that had "scars" from being
hooked before (yes even the BIGHORN). On many heavily fished C&R rivers
the average fish is caught several times a season. Being hooked causes
some damage even from the most careful angler and from careless anglers????

I believe that is true. I see scarred fish on the Rapid late in the season.
But, I have never seen or caught a fish that was so pooped out that it
couldn't/wouldn't fight. The rainbow I took out of the KH was the most
horribly scarred fish I have ever seen, and he put up no fight except what his
body weight would supply. Nothing! He came in just like a togue (Laketrout
in a river), just like a rag doll. I felt like I had done something that was
immoral. Perhaps it's just me, but I can not appreciate that kind of
"fishing".

My experience on the Big Horn (four days of drifting) revealed no mangled fish,
nor any fish that didn't fight for his life.

Please believe me --- I am not putting down the SJ. I had a great time there
with the exception of fishing the KH and wading in the braids. I can not,
however, imagine that river in prime season. Remember, we were there in
December and there wasn't that many fishermen. I bet it is very crowded from
June - August.

Ken Fortenberry writes:

Now how that
gets conflated with having to have an Eddie Bauer Edition Ford Explorer
escapes me.

I'm waiting for the Sears Edition Audi A6. Gotta have one of those.

Ken Fortenberry writes:

Now how that
gets conflated with having to have an Eddie Bauer Edition Ford Explorer
escapes me.

I'm waiting for the Sears Edition Audi A6. Gotta have one of those.

Charlie Choc wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I edited that out becuase I don't believe it's true.

You said you didn't fish with Andy, so how would you know what he promised?
I'll take the word of an actual SJ 'local' over you any day, anyway. This web
site http://www.cvff.org/sanjuan.htm mentions the 24 fish/day as well, FWIW.

I wouldn't hire a guide that guaranteed 10, 24, 50 or 100 fish per day. I
fish for my own pleasure and satisfaction; any guides who can guarantee
that? g.

JR

Charlie Choc wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I edited that out becuase I don't believe it's true.

You said you didn't fish with Andy, so how would you know what he promised?
I'll take the word of an actual SJ 'local' over you any day, anyway. This web
site http://www.cvff.org/sanjuan.htm mentions the 24 fish/day as well, FWIW.

I wouldn't hire a guide that guaranteed 10, 24, 50 or 100 fish per day. I
fish for my own pleasure and satisfaction; any guides who can guarantee
that? g.

JR