Scents + ethics/morality

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
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A case in point, I was contacted by a boat company and offered a sponsorship package of two boats
and some cash. Now, this sounds like a great deal and it was. The only problem with the whole deal
was it was an aluminum jet drive boat. Anyone that knows me knows that I am a fiberglass
performance boat enthusiast. If I were to suddenly appear on screen in this rig, anyone that knew
me would know that I signed the deal only for the money. I won't do that! So I politely declined,
and explained my stance. The potential sponsor seemed impressed, but disappointed at the same time.

Steve, I'm impressed too, but not disappointed!

Cheers,
Nikolay

"Nikolay" wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
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A case in point, I was contacted by a boat company and offered a sponsorship package of two
boats
and some cash. Now, this sounds like a great deal and it was. The only problem with the whole
deal
was it was an aluminum jet drive boat. Anyone that knows me knows that I am a fiberglass
performance boat enthusiast. If I were to suddenly appear on screen in this rig, anyone that
knew
me would know that I signed the deal only for the money. I won't do that! So I politely
declined,
and explained my stance. The potential sponsor seemed impressed, but disappointed at the same
time.

Steve, I'm impressed too, but not disappointed!

Yeah, but there's days that I kick myself! Not enough to change my mind, but....... ;-p
--
Steve
OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Your reputation was dust in high school Stevo!

Josh - scents work, especially Kick-N-Bass & Smelly Jelly. Lots of pros use
scents. I've seen scents make the difference between success & failure
several times, though I don't feel it often does. I do feel that scents
mask some negative odors, and also that they get you an extra bite or two on
most days from nonaggressive bass. I've yet to see a scented bait make the
bass come running from across the lake.

Warren
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http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
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"Josh" wrote in message SNIP

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement
monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor?
Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.

My personal opinion is that it's not right to endorse a product and/or
service/company if the
endorsee (?) doesn't use it. Now, this is just me speaking for myself,
but as many of you know, I'm
working on getting sponsors for my hopefully soon to air television show.
It takes a great deal of
money to get a show on the air and in order to do so, I need sponsors and
their corresponding funds.
BUT, I'm not going to sign a contract unless it is a quality item that I
would consider using
personally.

A case in point, I was contacted by a boat company and offered a
sponsorship package of two boats
and some cash. Now, this sounds like a great deal and it was. The only
problem with the whole deal
was it was an aluminum jet drive boat. Anyone that knows me knows that I
am a fiberglass
performance boat enthusiast. If I were to suddenly appear on screen in
this rig, anyone that knew
me would know that I signed the deal only for the money. I won't do that!
So I politely declined,
and explained my stance. The potential sponsor seemed impressed, but
disappointed at the same time.

I'm not going to even remotely attempt to impose my morals and beliefs on
someone else. I feel that
it's MY reputation on the line if I endorse something and I won't risk my
reputation for something
as trivial as cash or some trinkets. Reputation is like virginity, once
it's gone, there's nothing
that can get it back.

But that's just my opinion,
--
Steve
OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
...

"Josh" wrote in message SNIP

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement
monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor?
Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.

My personal opinion is that it's not right to endorse a product and/or
service/company if the
endorsee (?) doesn't use it. Now, this is just me speaking for myself,
but as many of you know, I'm
working on getting sponsors for my hopefully soon to air television show.
It takes a great deal of
money to get a show on the air and in order to do so, I need sponsors and
their corresponding funds.
BUT, I'm not going to sign a contract unless it is a quality item that I
would consider using
personally.

A case in point, I was contacted by a boat company and offered a
sponsorship package of two boats
and some cash. Now, this sounds like a great deal and it was. The only
problem with the whole deal
was it was an aluminum jet drive boat. Anyone that knows me knows that I
am a fiberglass
performance boat enthusiast. If I were to suddenly appear on screen in
this rig, anyone that knew
me would know that I signed the deal only for the money. I won't do that!
So I politely declined,
and explained my stance. The potential sponsor seemed impressed, but
disappointed at the same time.

I'ld have to say that glass boats certainly have their place. I have two of
them, (The Skeeter is for sale) but a well rounded TV show might need to be
open to possibilites that aren't necessarily your own. You might consider
other options. An aluminum jet would be the perfect boat in some
circumstances. I love my Baker tunnel hull, but I just ordered a Waco 16
for back water running myself. If you could have balanced that out with the
potential sponsor you might have been able to offer more and serve more
useful information to more viewers. JMHO.

I do understand your view, and I agree with you. I'm just not sure that you
shouldn't be open to other possibilities in your base choice about glass
boats.

--
Bob La Londe
Yuma, Az
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in messageSNIP

I'ld have to say that glass boats certainly have their place. I have two of
them, (The Skeeter is for sale) but a well rounded TV show might need to be
open to possibilites that aren't necessarily your own. You might consider
other options. An aluminum jet would be the perfect boat in some
circumstances. I love my Baker tunnel hull, but I just ordered a Waco 16
for back water running myself. If you could have balanced that out with the
potential sponsor you might have been able to offer more and serve more
useful information to more viewers. JMHO.

I do understand your view, and I agree with you. I'm just not sure that you
shouldn't be open to other possibilities in your base choice about glass
boats.

Oh, I'm not saying that I won't ever film a show from anything other than a glass boat. That's not
it and if circumstances warrant a change, i.e. sturgeon fishing on the Snake River, or fishing some
remote backwater, I'll certainly use what is appropriate. But, much of what I'll be doing can be
done from a glass boat. I might have to reconsider my choices and go with more of a multi-species
boat.

The ultimate would be to get a sponsor that has both a glass and aluminum line of boats and get one
of each! Any offers? :-)
--
Steve
OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in messageSNIP

I'ld have to say that glass boats certainly have their place. I have
two of
them, (The Skeeter is for sale) but a well rounded TV show might need to
be
open to possibilites that aren't necessarily your own. You might
consider
other options. An aluminum jet would be the perfect boat in some
circumstances. I love my Baker tunnel hull, but I just ordered a Waco
16
for back water running myself. If you could have balanced that out with
the
potential sponsor you might have been able to offer more and serve more
useful information to more viewers. JMHO.

I do understand your view, and I agree with you. I'm just not sure that
you
shouldn't be open to other possibilities in your base choice about glass
boats.

Oh, I'm not saying that I won't ever film a show from anything other than
a glass boat. That's not
it and if circumstances warrant a change, i.e. sturgeon fishing on the
Snake River, or fishing some
remote backwater, I'll certainly use what is appropriate. But, much of
what I'll be doing can be
done from a glass boat. I might have to reconsider my choices and go with
more of a multi-species
boat.

The ultimate would be to get a sponsor that has both a glass and aluminum
line of boats and get one
of each! Any offers? :-)
--

You said aluminum jet. I know of lots of aluminum boats, but can think off
hand of only one that has a jet boat setup for fishing. They have both. In
fact I considered buying one earlier this year.



--
The Security Consultant
http://www.diycomponents.com
Bob La Londe - Owner
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364

(928)782-9765 ofc
(928)782-7873 fax

They're all over wherever you have a rocky river Bob, especially in the
northland. I had a jet on my aluminum rig for a few years, fun toy. They
work especially well on aluminum tunnel-drives.

Warren

--
http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in messageSNIP

I'ld have to say that glass boats certainly have their place. I have
two of
them, (The Skeeter is for sale) but a well rounded TV show might need
to
be
open to possibilites that aren't necessarily your own. You might
consider
other options. An aluminum jet would be the perfect boat in some
circumstances. I love my Baker tunnel hull, but I just ordered a Waco
16
for back water running myself. If you could have balanced that out
with
the
potential sponsor you might have been able to offer more and serve
more
useful information to more viewers. JMHO.

I do understand your view, and I agree with you. I'm just not sure
that
you
shouldn't be open to other possibilities in your base choice about
glass
boats.

Oh, I'm not saying that I won't ever film a show from anything other
than
a glass boat. That's not
it and if circumstances warrant a change, i.e. sturgeon fishing on the
Snake River, or fishing some
remote backwater, I'll certainly use what is appropriate. But, much of
what I'll be doing can be
done from a glass boat. I might have to reconsider my choices and go
with
more of a multi-species
boat.

The ultimate would be to get a sponsor that has both a glass and
aluminum
line of boats and get one
of each! Any offers? :-)
--

You said aluminum jet. I know of lots of aluminum boats, but can think
off
hand of only one that has a jet boat setup for fishing. They have both.
In
fact I considered buying one earlier this year.



--
The Security Consultant
http://www.diycomponents.com
Bob La Londe - Owner
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364

(928)782-9765 ofc
(928)782-7873 fax

Steve,

My uncle favours the expression "Don't ever bend over Lad. It's too damn
hard to stand up straight again."

Thanks for proving that it's not so hard to stay standing straight. I think
that in this day and age there is tremendous pressure to "bend over". Look
at the situation you are dealing with. Most would have hit their knees for
that deal, but you politely turned it aside, and I'll guarantee you that it
will pay off in the end. Although there are many that will think you a
fool, there are many more that will sign on with you because you have
something that the others don't - integrity.

Keep the faith.

DK


"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
...

"Josh" wrote in message SNIP

I guess the core question is, does anyone else feel like it's
inappropriate for people to endorse "any product" recieve endorsement
monies
just because it's a sponsor and the mouthpiece is a name competitor?
Just
wondering how rest of you feel. ok...shoot.

My personal opinion is that it's not right to endorse a product and/or
service/company if the
endorsee (?) doesn't use it. Now, this is just me speaking for myself,
but as many of you know, I'm
working on getting sponsors for my hopefully soon to air television show.
It takes a great deal of
money to get a show on the air and in order to do so, I need sponsors and
their corresponding funds.
BUT, I'm not going to sign a contract unless it is a quality item that I
would consider using
personally.

A case in point, I was contacted by a boat company and offered a
sponsorship package of two boats
and some cash. Now, this sounds like a great deal and it was. The only
problem with the whole deal
was it was an aluminum jet drive boat. Anyone that knows me knows that I
am a fiberglass
performance boat enthusiast. If I were to suddenly appear on screen in
this rig, anyone that knew
me would know that I signed the deal only for the money. I won't do that!
So I politely declined,
and explained my stance. The potential sponsor seemed impressed, but
disappointed at the same time.

I'm not going to even remotely attempt to impose my morals and beliefs on
someone else. I feel that
it's MY reputation on the line if I endorse something and I won't risk my
reputation for something
as trivial as cash or some trinkets. Reputation is like virginity, once
it's gone, there's nothing
that can get it back.

But that's just my opinion,
--
Steve
OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

I sell products and would never think of selling anything that I would not use
myself.

IMO, pros who endorse products they would not or do not use have no integrity
and their opinion is worth zip.

Companies who let such things happen, ie, they let a pro endorse them even
though the pro coiuld care less about the product, are just as bad.

Brad
Brad Coovert, 2003 Angler of the Year, Greenfield Bassmasters
Please visit our sponsors:
http://www.geocities.com/greenfieldb...ponsorPage.htm
Indianapolis Colts over Tennessee Titans 33-7, 29-27 Go Colts!

As the head of Innovative, I agree with Brad. If I ever caught one of my
people using someone else's product - someone that doesn't help pay their
bills - over someone that does, they'd be toast!!! (Yes, I have fired
people for doing this.)

Now, before anyone suggests that it's just about the money, it's not.
Anything that Innovative gets involved with is carefully selected, after a
great deal of testing, and considerable thought. If it doesn't work,
Innovative shouldn't be promoting it. If it does, then there is NO reason
not to be using, regardless of the amount that particular client pays.

DK

"Brad Coovert" wrote in message
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I sell products and would never think of selling anything that I would not
use
myself.

IMO, pros who endorse products they would not or do not use have no
integrity
and their opinion is worth zip.

Companies who let such things happen, ie, they let a pro endorse them even
though the pro coiuld care less about the product, are just as bad.

Brad
Brad Coovert, 2003 Angler of the Year, Greenfield Bassmasters
Please visit our sponsors:
http://www.geocities.com/greenfieldb...ponsorPage.htm
Indianapolis Colts over Tennessee Titans 33-7, 29-27 Go Colts!