Its looking grim

"Russell D." wrote in message
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The arrogance of the liberal mind is mind boggling.

And the limitations of the boggled constricted mind are as useful as
they unsurprising.

Wolfgang

If and when our Muslim friends are successful in getting a nuclear bomb off
in a major US city it will all take care of it's self.

Automatic WWIII

--
Bill Kiene


"riverman" wrote in message
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Votes are coming in, and it looks at last count like the best Kerry can
hope for is to tie, where it goes to the (Republican-controlled) House.

Living outside the US, I can feel the air getting sucked out from the
collective gasp of other nations. This week has been dominated on TV by
talk shows and editorials from other countries showing overwhelming
support for Kerry, or at least for a change away from Bush. I think its
also indicative that all the major urban centers in the US have voted to
change Presidents, and that of all the places who actually FELT the impact
of 9/11....New York City, voted ovwhelmingly for Kerry. The rest of the
country is running from paranoia. A woman was quoted on CNN yesterday as
saying 'nothing else matters. I'm voting for my personal safety". Yeah,
right. I'd like to smack her upside the head (which would be more than a
little microcosmic).

So we can look forward to 4 more years of Bush. But worse years than
before. He now feels like he has a *mandate*, a vote of approval to
continue his policies. If we thought he was stubborn and out-of-touch
before, we ain't seen nothing yet. We can expect the national debt,
already beyond imaginable, to skyrocket immediately: the Repubs have
already exceeded the debt ceiling through 'creative bookkeeping', but put
off officially having it raised beyond $7.384 trillion until after the
election. The first quarter of next year is already predicted to break the
previous record, set in the first quarter of this year.

We can look forward to 4 more years of war, of international alienation
(coupled with a "we don't care, we don't have to" attitude from the US), 4
more years of forests and wilderness lands being sold off for industry
profit, 4 more years of belligerant government for big business, 4 more
years of undoing environmental policies, 4 more years of increased impacts
on global warming, 4 more years of dirty politics like what Tom Delay did
in Texas, and almost certainly there will be more 'bedroom scandals' like
Enron and Halliburton.

We've given the henhouse keys to the foxes. It was handed to them by the
countryfolk of the heartland, people who believe the hyperbole and spin,
who actually felt that their lives were in personal danger, and who have
no idea the harm they have just done to our country.

God help us all.

--riverman

Bill Kiene wrote:

If and when our Muslim friends are successful in getting a nuclear bomb off
in a major US city it will all take care of it's self.

I have lots of Muslim friends, none of whom would dream of getting any
sort of bomb off anywhere, so you must be talking about *your* Muslim
friends. How many of them have you got, anyway? Take your time.... at
the very least you've got a few million of your fellow U.S. citizens to
choose from.

JR

"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
m...
If and when our Muslim friends are successful in getting a nuclear bomb
off
in a major US city it will all take care of it's self.

Automatic WWIII

--
Bill Kiene

If you have Muslim friends like that, you are in serious danger of being
arrested and held without trial under the "Patriot Act", so it might be
prudent to keep it to yourself.

MC

Bill Kiene wrote:

If and when our Muslim friends are successful in getting a nuclear bomb off
in a major US city it will all take care of it's self.

Automatic WWIII

--
Bill Kiene


I hope such a thing never happens , but should it ............
I don`t think it will be WW111 ...... The US has just alienated
itself from the rest of the world . they`ll have to fight this one
their own J

philski writes:

I have always been an independent. I knew my vote in Idaho would be
nothing more than a protest vote because I do not like Bush. I
particularly do not like Cheney. He lacks integrity. (not that Kerry has
an abundance of it either- )

I believe that is the problem with the Dem Party this time around: They
selected someone who they thought could beat Bush, not someone who they thought
would be a good president. Lots of people voted for Kerry because of their
dislike of Bush. That ain't no way to run a railroad. Pick a viable
candidate, someone without all the luggage that Kerry carried (questionable VN
service, questionable actions after VN which probably lengthened the war, a
Senator without a good record in Congress, a billionaire wife who looks like
Tootsie and can't keep her trashy mouth shut, and the blunder of all blunders,
picking Edwards as his running mate). It was a train wreck waiting to happen.

You do not vote because you hate someone; you vote because you think your
candidate is the best qualified.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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philski writes:

I have always been an independent. I knew my vote in Idaho would be
nothing more than a protest vote because I do not like Bush. I
particularly do not like Cheney. He lacks integrity. (not that Kerry has
an abundance of it either- )

I believe that is the problem with the Dem Party this time around: They
selected someone who they thought could beat Bush, not someone who they
thought
would be a good president. Lots of people voted for Kerry because of
their
dislike of Bush. That ain't no way to run a railroad. Pick a viable
candidate, someone without all the luggage that Kerry carried
(questionable VN
service, questionable actions after VN which probably lengthened the war,
a
Senator without a good record in Congress, a billionaire wife who looks
like
Tootsie and can't keep her trashy mouth shut, and the blunder of all
blunders,
picking Edwards as his running mate). It was a train wreck waiting to
happen.

You do not vote because you hate someone; you vote because you think your
candidate is the best qualified.

Goddamn, you are a sick maggot.

Wolfgang
who quails for humanity as long as this kind of filth breaths and breeds.

irate (Dave LaCourse) wrote in
:

Pick a viable
candidate, someone without all the luggage that Kerry carried
(questionable VN service, questionable actions after VN which probably
lengthened the war, a Senator without a good record in Congress, a
billionaire wife who looks like Tootsie and can't keep her trashy
mouth shut, and the blunder of all blunders, picking Edwards as his
running mate). It was a train wreck waiting to happen.



Dave-

Hopefully nonoffensively, I can point out that when Bush ran, he had a
record of failed businesses, a drunk driving arrest or two, a rich family
with heavy Saudi ties, family privilege that helped him avoid Vietnam by
almost meeting a National Guard commitment, no foreign policy experience,
and his biggest qualification was that he governed a state constitutionally
headed by a hands-off governor. Then on top of all that, I'll point out
that about half the population is largely unimpressed by his performance as
President and CIC, he deliberately trumped up faulty intelligence that
brought us to a war we're having problems finishing, he ignored
intelligence that might have prevented the deaths of 3,000 citizens, and he
ran up a record deficit (even without the two wars factored in) and put the
money into his buddys' collective pockets.

IMO, which is no more or less valid than YO, this is a train wreck that is
happening right now.

Scott

Scott opines:

Hopefully nonoffensively, I can point out that when Bush ran, he had a
record of failed businesses, a drunk driving arrest or two, a rich family
with heavy Saudi ties, family privilege that helped him avoid Vietnam by
almost meeting a National Guard commitment, no foreign policy experience,
and his biggest qualification was that he governed a state constitutionally
headed by a hands-off governor. Then on top of all that, I'll point out
that about half the population is largely unimpressed by his performance as
President and CIC, he deliberately trumped up faulty intelligence that
brought us to a war we're having problems finishing, he ignored
intelligence that might have prevented the deaths of 3,000 citizens, and he
ran up a record deficit (even without the two wars factored in) and put the
money into his buddys' collective pockets.

IMO, which is no more or less valid than YO, this is a train wreck that is
happening right now.


Then why didn't Gore win in 2000? He was the vp of a "successfull"
administration. Why didn't he walk away with the election?

The same holds true for this election. If Bush was so bad, so hated, so
disrespected, so dumb, so incompetent, how's come the VN hero didn't win? And
don';t tell me it's because of the "religious right". Remember, you don't have
to be religious or even *have* a religion to be moral. *I expected Kerry to
win, and to win handily*. When I awoke Wednesday morning, I was completely
surprised to see how well Bush did with a good majority of the electoral votes,
and a whopping 3.5 million more in the popular vote. He didn't beat Kerry; he
kicked the mush out of him.

Above all, I am glad we will not have an ambulance chaser a heartbeat away from
the presidency. That was a terrible choice the DNC/Kerry made. Edwards was
more of a hindrance than an asset. (On a sadder note: Just heard that Mrs.
Edwards has breast cancer. Terrible news. If only someday we can beat all
cancer.)

Scott opines:

Hopefully nonoffensively, I can point out that when Bush ran, he had a
record of failed businesses, a drunk driving arrest or two, a rich family
with heavy Saudi ties, family privilege that helped him avoid Vietnam by
almost meeting a National Guard commitment, no foreign policy experience,
and his biggest qualification was that he governed a state constitutionally
headed by a hands-off governor. Then on top of all that, I'll point out
that about half the population is largely unimpressed by his performance as
President and CIC, he deliberately trumped up faulty intelligence that
brought us to a war we're having problems finishing, he ignored
intelligence that might have prevented the deaths of 3,000 citizens, and he
ran up a record deficit (even without the two wars factored in) and put the
money into his buddys' collective pockets.

IMO, which is no more or less valid than YO, this is a train wreck that is
happening right now.


Then why didn't Gore win in 2000? He was the vp of a "successfull"
administration. Why didn't he walk away with the election?

The same holds true for this election. If Bush was so bad, so hated, so
disrespected, so dumb, so incompetent, how's come the VN hero didn't win? And
don';t tell me it's because of the "religious right". Remember, you don't have
to be religious or even *have* a religion to be moral. *I expected Kerry to
win, and to win handily*. When I awoke Wednesday morning, I was completely
surprised to see how well Bush did with a good majority of the electoral votes,
and a whopping 3.5 million more in the popular vote. He didn't beat Kerry; he
kicked the mush out of him.

Above all, I am glad we will not have an ambulance chaser a heartbeat away from
the presidency. That was a terrible choice the DNC/Kerry made. Edwards was
more of a hindrance than an asset. (On a sadder note: Just heard that Mrs.
Edwards has breast cancer. Terrible news. If only someday we can beat all
cancer.)