The Future of Fly Fishing in America ?

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Greg P opines:


It will come regardless of whether neo-fascists are running the
country. The one difference is that without their influence there
would be a chance that at least some waters would be limited
on an egalitarian basis, such as lottery.


A question: How the hell are youse guys gonna fish when the sky falls? Bunch
on wacko crybaby bedwetters.


You can call me a wacko crybaby bedwetter (but I know one of those
hasn't has been true for about fifty years).....

Bush does support privatization of public lands and managing them in
terms of their "highest and best use", as do a growing number of
Republican Congressmen (and probably some Democrats although I'm not
aware of
any). This is an issue that's VERY important to me and it's something
that I try and follow. This has been a growing political position over
the last ten years or so. However, the data shows that a large majority
of Americans oppose it, so it's not a position that is being campaigned
on. This means that you have to do some searching in order to find out
which of our representatives are in favor of this method of "managing"
our public lands.

I DON'T want our public lands run on the basis of "best and highest use"
(which means - how they can be used to generate the most possible income).
I DON'T want our public lands sold off to the highest bidder. I DON'T want
our National Parks run by corporations whose goal is solely to make as much
money as possible out of them. etc etc etc

Willi

Willi writes:

I DON'T want our public lands run on the basis of "best and highest use"
(which means - how they can be used to generate the most possible income).
I DON'T want our public lands sold off to the highest bidder. I DON'T want
our National Parks run by corporations whose goal is solely to make as much
money as possible out of them. etc etc etc

Willi

I doubt you will see any of the above in your lifetime. There have been "pay
and fish" places for as long as I can remember. My parents joined one in the
50s. I joined one in the 90s (and resigned after catching 100 pounds of brook
trout in two hours). There are two places in Georgia that I know of, and one
of them is state stocked.

We should be more concerned with the crowding than anything else. I intend to
have good fishing until I die, and if I have to go out of my way for it, so be
it. I do so now because of the crowding. Every river I've fished in the west,
south, New England, and to some extent, Alaska, has been crowded. Certain
streams in Alaska are worse than anywhere else.

Our population is growing in leaps and bounds, and more and more people have
more and more disposable income. Go to any airport in Montana, Idaho, Alaska,
wherever, and you will see all kinds of folks carrying fly rods. The camp that
I went to in Labrador from 97 - 00 is closing because the river is now crowded
with locals who come in with water jet craft, and they don't fly fish either.

The same thing is slowly happening in Alaska. We parked our Beaver in a sink
hole pond, only to return 4 hours later and see 4 more Beavers parked next to
us. Some lodges have switched to Otters so that they can saturate a river with
their own guests.

I'm not worried about any politician taking away my fly fishing. I *am*
worried about more and more people joining in the fun. A side note: The
commute that I used to drive 14 years ago before I retired required 20 - 25
minutes. That same commute now takes almost an hour because of so many cars on
the road. Too many people; not enough resources.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Greg P opines:


It will come regardless of whether neo-fascists are running the
country. The one difference is that without their influence there
would be a chance that at least some waters would be limited
on an egalitarian basis, such as lottery.

A question: How the hell are youse guys gonna fish when the sky falls?
Bunch
on wacko crybaby bedwetters.

How you gonna live when the taxpayer tit runs dry?

Wolfgang

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Greg P opines:


It will come regardless of whether neo-fascists are running the
country. The one difference is that without their influence there
would be a chance that at least some waters would be limited
on an egalitarian basis, such as lottery.


A question: How the hell are youse guys gonna fish when the sky falls? Bunch
on wacko crybaby bedwetters.


You can call me a wacko crybaby bedwetter (but I know one of those
hasn't has been true for about fifty years).....

Bush does support privatization of public lands and managing them in
terms of their "highest and best use", as do a growing number of
Republican Congressmen (and probably some Democrats although I'm not
aware of
any). This is an issue that's VERY important to me and it's something
that I try and follow. This has been a growing political position over
the last ten years or so. However, the data shows that a large majority
of Americans oppose it, so it's not a position that is being campaigned
on. This means that you have to do some searching in order to find out
which of our representatives are in favor of this method of "managing"
our public lands.

I DON'T want our public lands run on the basis of "best and highest use"
(which means - how they can be used to generate the most possible income).
I DON'T want our public lands sold off to the highest bidder. I DON'T want
our National Parks run by corporations whose goal is solely to make as much
money as possible out of them. etc etc etc

Willi

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:51:22 GMT, "B J Conner"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
http://travel2.nytimes.com/2004/11/2...es/26FISH.html

I like the part where they call $75,000 up front and $5,000
a year a "modest investment."

And what's up with Lefty ? I thought he was one of us !

--
Ken Fortenberry

It's just a preview of the future under the neo-con oligarchy. If anyone
voted for Bush and his gang of thieves you don't have a bitch coming.
Someday when they have privatized the national forest and sold all the best
rivers to Browning and his ilk the western clave will have to held in a city
park in Spokane or somewhere similar. Your children and grandchildren can
set around the fire and tell tales of how good it use to be in grandpas
day.
As I have said before save all those articles on fly-fishing for Carp. The
income that most roffians seem to have will evolve them out or trout
fishing.
If one wants to sample the future now, I think he cold do so by taking a
trout fishing holiday to the UK.

Well, Beej, you are a loony, but at least you are a hypocrite,
too...whatsamatter, are you afraid someone is gonna rip that tit out of
your mouth?

The Pickle Panderer
....oh, don't completely panic - I mean the public one, not the
Sarge's...

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:51:22 GMT, "B J Conner"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
http://travel2.nytimes.com/2004/11/2...es/26FISH.html

I like the part where they call $75,000 up front and $5,000
a year a "modest investment."

And what's up with Lefty ? I thought he was one of us !

--
Ken Fortenberry

It's just a preview of the future under the neo-con oligarchy. If anyone
voted for Bush and his gang of thieves you don't have a bitch coming.
Someday when they have privatized the national forest and sold all the
best
rivers to Browning and his ilk the western clave will have to held in a
city
park in Spokane or somewhere similar. Your children and grandchildren
can
set around the fire and tell tales of how good it use to be in grandpas
day.
As I have said before save all those articles on fly-fishing for Carp.
The
income that most roffians seem to have will evolve them out or trout
fishing.
If one wants to sample the future now, I think he cold do so by taking a
trout fishing holiday to the UK.

Well, Beej, you are a loony, but at least you are a hypocrite,
too...whatsamatter, are you afraid someone is gonna rip that tit out of
your mouth?

The Pickle Panderer
...oh, don't completely panic - I mean the public one, not the
Sarge's...

I ain't worried about the tit in my mouth. I'm tired of paying for the two
in yours. I'm tired of conservative chickenhawks buying their way into the
texas air guard while the PWT kids do the dirty work and in the course of it
suffer ****ty pickles with their chow.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:51:22 GMT, "B J Conner"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
http://travel2.nytimes.com/2004/11/2...es/26FISH.html

I like the part where they call $75,000 up front and $5,000
a year a "modest investment."

And what's up with Lefty ? I thought he was one of us !

--
Ken Fortenberry

It's just a preview of the future under the neo-con oligarchy. If anyone
voted for Bush and his gang of thieves you don't have a bitch coming.
Someday when they have privatized the national forest and sold all the best
rivers to Browning and his ilk the western clave will have to held in a city
park in Spokane or somewhere similar. Your children and grandchildren can
set around the fire and tell tales of how good it use to be in grandpas
day.
As I have said before save all those articles on fly-fishing for Carp. The
income that most roffians seem to have will evolve them out or trout
fishing.
If one wants to sample the future now, I think he cold do so by taking a
trout fishing holiday to the UK.

Well, Beej, you are a loony, but at least you are a hypocrite,
too...whatsamatter, are you afraid someone is gonna rip that tit out of
your mouth?

The Pickle Panderer
....oh, don't completely panic - I mean the public one, not the
Sarge's...

"B J Conner" wrote

Someday when they have privatized the national forest and sold all the
best
rivers to Browning and his ilk the western clave will have to held in a
city
park in Spokane or somewhere similar.

I understand that Halliburton is to get the energy "protection" contract for
the geothermal features of Yellowstone.

Disney will install and manage the wildlife rides, with the unpredictable
real creatures replaced by automations, of course.

Browning will build and maintain several 18 fishinhole courses along various
Park rivers, with lovely casting locations, varied presentation challenges,
and carts to take the sports from one to the next after they have taken the
par number of casts. Each fly fishing foursome will be required to use
caddies ( may be called guides) to help them choose flies and appropriate
tackle. The 19th hole, will of course, have a huge supply of micro-brews
and pricey booze.... to cater to many fishers most compelling reason to go
fly fishing, drunken 'camaraderie'


This kind of thing is already well under way .... California has numerous
privatized fishing "holes," some planted with huge hatchery brood fish, to
insure "success," and as far from a quality experience for the Nature lover
as tennis at the country club.

See ... there are reasons to be glad that humans don't live all that long.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:51:22 GMT, "B J Conner"
wrote:


It's just a preview of the future under the neo-con oligarchy. If anyone
voted for Bush and his gang of thieves you don't have a bitch coming. ...

It will come regardless of whether neo-fascists are running the
country. The one difference is that without their influence there
would be a chance that at least some waters would be limited
on an egalitarian basis, such as lottery.

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
http://travel2.nytimes.com/2004/11/2...es/26FISH.html

I like the part where they call $75,000 up front and $5,000
a year a "modest investment."

And what's up with Lefty ? I thought he was one of us !

Yeah. My Kreh number just shot up considerably.
--
TL,
Tim
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