Honey Bee Pattern

On 11/22/05 10:29 AM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"lazarus cooke" wrote in message
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...I don't see why it should only be drones that are taken....

Drones was my suggestion. It wasn't meant to imply exclusivity. Merely a
passing thought on a possible scenario that might account for fish bellies
occasionally being full of bees.

Brings to mind (perhaps because of recent discussion of the Great Yoop 2006
Clave) the last time I fished the Fox River up nort' dere, eh. On the way
up I stopped at an excellent fly shop where the proprietor sold me several
flies that were tied to imitate the deer fly or house fly. Black foam body,
grizzly wings, peacock hurl body, as I recall. Said it'd slay 'em. Sure
enough I remember catching one brookie that for the life of me I can't
figure out how it took my fly- not only was his belly full of flies, they
were coming clear up out of his mouth! The fish must have been gorging on
the things.

Brookies. Yoop. mmmmmmm.

Bill

I know, I know, but the discussion was drifting that way. It still
seems as good a suggestion as any.

There's a good article by my favourite brit fishing author, Arthur
Ransome (who was incidentally the Guardian's foreign correspondent in
Russia during the revolution, played chess with Lenin, and married
Trotsky's secretary, as well as writing some classic children's tales)
about the way, very occasionally, there are huge numbers of flying ants
on the water and the fish will gobble them up, whereas most of the time
they won't look at an ant imitiation.

LC

"lazarus cooke" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I keep bees myself, Mike, as did my father and grandfather, and I try
to keep up with the research. There's amazingly little known about
exactly where bees mate - drones tend to hover in groups quite high up,
and they're not easy to research, especially when the Queen only mates
once. Bees are very unpredictable beasties.

I'd say there certainly isn't enough known to say that they 'never'
mate in a particular sort of place.

I don't see why it should only be drones that are taken. Workers only
have a life outside the hive of three or four weeks, and they generally
just collapse from exhaustion somewhere in the field. Bees need water
(it's important to give them a source,otherwise they may decide to use
your neighbours' children's paddling pool), and you have to provide
them with corks etc to float in the their water supply otherwise
they're liable to drown.

Having said that I generally keep my eyes open for honey bees wherever
I am, and don't remember seeing any on the water. They tend to prefer
stagnant -even quite revoltingly so - sources to clean ones, and I
don't think they'd like a nice clean trout stream.

Lazarus


Oh I would not presume to know much about it. I talked a lot with the old
Russian guy on occasion, mainly about his bees, but sometimes about other
things, he had gone through some terrible hardship, but as his German was
not exactly brilliant, and my Russian is basically non-existent, we did have
some communication problems.

One thing he told me stuck in my mind, and that was that bee stings make a
man extremely virile. He never wore any protection at all when working with
the bees, and was stung quite often. It did not seem to bother him at all.
Don´t know if the "virility" thing is true either, and I am unlikely to find
out, as quite a while ago, when I was stung a couple of times, I had an
"anaphylactic shock". Indeed, I have been since obliged to carry an
emergency injection kit.

My hypersensitivity seems to have "worn off" now at least, as the last
couple of times I was stung or bitten ( mainly F§$%&/ horse flies!) I did
not need the kit, and the resultant swelling etc was far less. I have also
had a couple of deer ticks in the meatime, and my reaction was far less
violent compared to the first few times. I still carry the kit though, as
the first two times nearly killed me.

TL
MC

lazarus cooke wrote:
I know, I know, but the discussion was drifting that way. It still
seems as good a suggestion as any.

There's a good article by my favourite brit fishing author, Arthur
Ransome (who was incidentally the Guardian's foreign correspondent in
Russia during the revolution, played chess with Lenin, and married
Trotsky's secretary, as well as writing some classic children's tales)
about the way, very occasionally, there are huge numbers of flying ants
on the water and the fish will gobble them up, whereas most of the time
they won't look at an ant imitiation.

Your brit trout must have very different tastes from ours. I've found
ants to be one of the most effective patterns.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"Mike Connor" wrote

One thing he told me stuck in my mind, and that was that bee stings make a
man extremely virile. He never wore any protection at all when working
with the bees, and was stung quite often. It did not seem to bother him at
all. Don´t know if the "virility" thing is true either, and I am unlikely
to find out, as quite a while ago, when I was stung a couple of times, I
had an "anaphylactic shock". Indeed, I have been since obliged to carry an
emergency injection kit.

My hypersensitivity seems to have "worn off" now at least, as the last
couple of times I was stung or bitten ( mainly F§$%&/ horse flies!) I did
not need the kit, and the resultant swelling etc was far less. I have also
had a couple of deer ticks in the meatime, and my reaction was far less
violent compared to the first few times. I still carry the kit though, as
the first two times nearly killed me.

TL
MC

interesting story. coincidentally, both myself and my cousin, dash
riprock hedrick, developed the same allergic reaction to two individual
yellow jacket attacks; his on hazel creek, and mine on eagle creek. the
two streams are seperated by a ridgeline in the smokies.

my incident was actually life threatening, as i was stung (according to
the e.r. physician) in excess of thirty times. eagle creek was about two
hours from medical help, and my throat and nasal passages were literally
shutting down within minutes; but, as luck would have it (an opinion that
may not be universally acknowledged), there was a camper at the mouth of the
creek who administered a handful of benedryl tablets, which held the
swelling in check until i could get to the hospital.

i, too, was instructed to carry one of those prescription needle kits
whenever my chances of contact with stinging insects was likely. after a
few years, i stopped fooling with the thing. of course, not long afterward,
i was stung when mowing the yard; i was initially preparing for a slow,
tortuous death, when it became apparent that nothing out of the ordinary was
going to happen.

oh, my then wife never offered any show of gratitude for the infusion of
bee venom, either before, during, or after our ...little games...

oh, well, i suppose some things just can't be improved upon.

yfitons
wayno

there is a great pattern for yellow jackets called the "Tennesee Bee"
out on the web. In NJ, every fall after the first frost we get a nice
"yellow jacket fall" and we have trout keying on them in many places.
The first time I saw this, I saw the trout hitting leaves for no
apparent reason and ignoring all my offerings until I took a better
look at some leaves floating by and saw dead yellow jackets clinging on.

ah ya PETA weenies, it all depends on what you mean by "feel" and
"suffering" with respect to the mental capacity of a fish....

no need to stay awake at night... fish don't "feel" no matter what
their physiological
reponses might be to stimuli....

"William Claspy" wrote in message
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On 11/22/05 10:29 AM, in article ,
"Wolfgang"
wrote:


"lazarus cooke" wrote in message
oups.com...
...I don't see why it should only be drones that are taken....

Drones was my suggestion. It wasn't meant to imply exclusivity. Merely
a
passing thought on a possible scenario that might account for fish
bellies
occasionally being full of bees.

Brings to mind (perhaps because of recent discussion of the Great Yoop
2006
Clave) the last time I fished the Fox River up nort' dere, eh. On the way
up I stopped at an excellent fly shop where the proprietor sold me several
flies that were tied to imitate the deer fly or house fly. Black foam
body,
grizzly wings, peacock hurl body, as I recall. Said it'd slay 'em. Sure
enough I remember catching one brookie that for the life of me I can't
figure out how it took my fly- not only was his belly full of flies, they
were coming clear up out of his mouth! The fish must have been gorging on
the things.

Brookies. Yoop. mmmmmmm.

We need to find that fish! Then we need to breed many offspring from it!

Wolfgang
goddamn deerflies.

"rw" wrote in message
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I've found bees in trout stomachs several times. Often as not, they're
really seriously stinging wasps -- yellow jackets. One more datum point
that says fish don't feel pain.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

perhaps these wasps were already drowned and dead when the trout ate it -
hence no sting.

Do you think a wasp sting or 2 could be fatal to a small trout?

my friend and dog, sadie, loves flying bugs, especially bees. she will
sit in one spot for hours if honeybees are buzzing nearby and takes joy
in snapping them out of the air, quickly spitting them out. she was
stung once...made her muzzle swell.

Jeff, my present Brittany is my third; I also had an Irish Setter
along the way. IIRC, all of them did what Sadie does.

what the hell is that bit of learned behavior all about?

I don't know, but I understand that motion (which can be construed as
fleeing) triggers the predatory reflex in animals of the canis
persuasion. It's why some dogs can't resist chasing cars, even though
they're obviously too big to eat.

Perhaps, after the dog gets stung-- and they all do, apparently--
there's a bit of revenge blended in as well.

vince