where have my friends gone?

On Feb 1, 8:36 pm, 13thchoise wrote:
jeff wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
et...

If some of the people on Wayno's "light in the darkness" list
would learn the judicious use of the killfile as I have they
might find roff quite a bit more pleasant.

Yeah, there's nothing quite like plucking your eyes out to make the
world a more attractive place.

Wolfgang
i see stupid people.

the seventh sense...

Mirror

Dumbass.

Wolfgang

On Feb 1, 12:53 pm, " wrote:


I'm not sure which Ken JT is referring to....

The stupid one.

You can call me Giles.

On Feb 2, 1:00 am, "JT" wrote:
"riverman" wrote in message

ups.com...

It's cold as hell here in the NW and there isn't a thing to post about!
Da can't get a rise out of anyone on his Fly Names, Wolfie can't get a
flame war started with Ken, the expo sounds like a flop and it hasn't
even
started, and cabin fever is on the rise. It's just down right frinkin
boring
around roff....

JT

Hmm, you probably don't want to hear that I've set up a week long
canoe/fishing trip to Mongolia this June, then. ;-j

--riverman

Details man... Details....!

I have a bunch of neat $hit planned for June too! However, with tomorrows
forecast of morning lows below zero, it just seems like years away!

JT

Ya want details...details ya get.

In an effort to primarily satisfy my longing for canoeing, especially
in a place (HK) that has no rivers larger than a trickle, I got
together with several other open boaters and we started reviewing
rivers in Tibet, Nepal, western China and India for a late June trip
this summer. It turned out that either the logistics or geology were
insurmountable; most of the rivers off the south side of the Himalayan
Massif either run hellaciously big, or dry up to a rock-filled empty
gorge immediately after the snow melts. The only canoeable stretches
are downstream, among the populations and pollutions, and though the
humid swamplands. Additionally, setting up shuttle logistics from here
was just too hard to do.

Also, it seems that there is a serious deficit of canoes in this
hemisphere.

So I had the bright idea of contacting some flyfishing outfitters in
Mongolia to see if any of them would be interested in hosting us;
providing shuttle and transport services, doing the food shop, etc.
Most of the outfitters were not interested; they wanted to sign us up
for one of their commercial trips (mostly using rafts). Ordinarily, I
would just hop on board, but the main emphasis of this trip is
supposed to be a Canoe Expedition more than a fishing trip.
Unfortunately, it also seemed that none of them have canoes.

Then one particular outfitter rose to the challenge. He's looking for
some sort of niche that all the other outfitters don't occupy, so I
convinced him that running canoe trips on one of his fishing rivers
would entice a whole new group of adventurers to do business with him.
We certainly are interested in fishing along the way, but we really
want to see the countryside by boat, and I know that there are many
like us out there.

One thing is leading to another, and the way it stands now is that he
is fully onboard. I'm advising him on some canoes to buy (solo and
tandem models), and he is contacting manufacturers to see if he can
get a good pro-deal to be the first person to import canoes into
Mongolia. He is setting us up with a 7-day onriver itinerary,
providing transport and logistics, and sending a fishing guide along
with us. We'll train the guide on how to run a river trip out of
canoes (no raft support), and the guide will help those of us who fish
get into some taimen. We also will take photos for his brochures, send
some along pics to the equipment manufacturers, and write an article
for Canoe and Kayak magazine. I might also write something for a
Flyfishing magazine, if any of you have any leads on editors or how to
submit to them.

So far, I have 3-4 teachers who are also open boaters on the definite
list, one of the officers of the China Exploration Society, and a
National Geographic photographer. I've contacted a couple of equipment
manufacturers (LL Bean and Lincoln Canoes) where I have some contacts
about getting some equipment sponsorships, and we're working with the
school to see if we can get some discount airfares through official
channels.

As much as I love flyfishing, this is more than just a fishing trip.
Its hopefully going to be the first all-canoe expedition run on this
particular river (although the entire stretch we are doing is
regularly done in inflatables), but we will, of course, fish along the
way. Hopefully, it will become an annual event where I can work with
this outfitter and run a different stretch of water each year.

I'll keep you guys updated as the plan evolves. 80% of it is still in
the planning stages, but the biggest hurdle (getting an outfitter to
agree to import boats) has been passed.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
So I had the bright idea of contacting some flyfishing outfitters in
Mongolia to see if any of them would be interested in hosting us;
providing shuttle and transport services, doing the food shop, etc.

Sounds outstanding, but how do you say, "This river don't go to Aintree" in
Mongolian? :-)

Joe F.

"riverman" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 2, 1:00 am, "JT" wrote:
"riverman" wrote in message

ups.com...

It's cold as hell here in the NW and there isn't a thing to post
about!
Da can't get a rise out of anyone on his Fly Names, Wolfie can't get a
flame war started with Ken, the expo sounds like a flop and it hasn't
even
started, and cabin fever is on the rise. It's just down right frinkin
boring
around roff....

JT

Hmm, you probably don't want to hear that I've set up a week long
canoe/fishing trip to Mongolia this June, then. ;-j

--riverman

Details man... Details....!

I have a bunch of neat $hit planned for June too! However, with tomorrows
forecast of morning lows below zero, it just seems like years away!

JT

Ya want details...details ya get.

In an effort to primarily satisfy my longing for canoeing, especially
in a place (HK) that has no rivers larger than a trickle, I got
together with several other open boaters and we started reviewing
rivers in Tibet, Nepal, western China and India for a late June trip
this summer. It turned out that either the logistics or geology were
insurmountable; most of the rivers off the south side of the Himalayan
Massif either run hellaciously big, or dry up to a rock-filled empty
gorge immediately after the snow melts. The only canoeable stretches
are downstream, among the populations and pollutions, and though the
humid swamplands. Additionally, setting up shuttle logistics from here
was just too hard to do.

Also, it seems that there is a serious deficit of canoes in this
hemisphere.

So I had the bright idea of contacting some flyfishing outfitters in
Mongolia to see if any of them would be interested in hosting us;
providing shuttle and transport services, doing the food shop, etc.
Most of the outfitters were not interested; they wanted to sign us up
for one of their commercial trips (mostly using rafts). Ordinarily, I
would just hop on board, but the main emphasis of this trip is
supposed to be a Canoe Expedition more than a fishing trip.
Unfortunately, it also seemed that none of them have canoes.

Then one particular outfitter rose to the challenge. He's looking for
some sort of niche that all the other outfitters don't occupy, so I
convinced him that running canoe trips on one of his fishing rivers
would entice a whole new group of adventurers to do business with him.
We certainly are interested in fishing along the way, but we really
want to see the countryside by boat, and I know that there are many
like us out there.

One thing is leading to another, and the way it stands now is that he
is fully onboard. I'm advising him on some canoes to buy (solo and
tandem models), and he is contacting manufacturers to see if he can
get a good pro-deal to be the first person to import canoes into
Mongolia. He is setting us up with a 7-day onriver itinerary,
providing transport and logistics, and sending a fishing guide along
with us. We'll train the guide on how to run a river trip out of
canoes (no raft support), and the guide will help those of us who fish
get into some taimen. We also will take photos for his brochures, send
some along pics to the equipment manufacturers, and write an article
for Canoe and Kayak magazine. I might also write something for a
Flyfishing magazine, if any of you have any leads on editors or how to
submit to them.

So far, I have 3-4 teachers who are also open boaters on the definite
list, one of the officers of the China Exploration Society, and a
National Geographic photographer. I've contacted a couple of equipment
manufacturers (LL Bean and Lincoln Canoes) where I have some contacts
about getting some equipment sponsorships, and we're working with the
school to see if we can get some discount airfares through official
channels.

As much as I love flyfishing, this is more than just a fishing trip.
Its hopefully going to be the first all-canoe expedition run on this
particular river (although the entire stretch we are doing is
regularly done in inflatables), but we will, of course, fish along the
way. Hopefully, it will become an annual event where I can work with
this outfitter and run a different stretch of water each year.

I'll keep you guys updated as the plan evolves. 80% of it is still in
the planning stages, but the biggest hurdle (getting an outfitter to
agree to import boats) has been passed.

--riverman



well, what? No kayaks?

john

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:37:50 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

"riverman" wrote in message
So I had the bright idea of contacting some flyfishing outfitters in
Mongolia to see if any of them would be interested in hosting us;
providing shuttle and transport services, doing the food shop, etc.

Sounds outstanding, but how do you say, "This river don't go to Aintree" in
Mongolian? :-)

Oh, Lordy...I can hear the, um, dueling ruans now...and I'd suggest he
learn what "he shore does have a purdy wai guo mouth..." sounds like in
Mongolian, too...

Seriously, though, it sounds like a blast.

And Myron - have you thought about contacting some of the smaller
equipment companies, like TFO, Tibor, etc., as well as some larger,
non-sports companies, like Dell, Amazon, Wal-Mart, etc. If this thing
is gonna get a photoshoot, and you've an interest in sponsorships, you
might as well become the insert NASCAR driver name here of Mongolian
canoeing. And FWIW, you might be able to get airline interest
sponsorship; airlines are drooling over the potential of China-related
air travel, and the Chinese airlines are turning to American
low-cost/regional airlines, like Southwest and Jet Blue for advice. The
short story is that such a novel "expedition" might garner some interest
from airlines. I have some other ideas, if you'd care to take it to
email.

TC,
R

Joe F.

Wolfgang wrote:
On Feb 1, 8:36 pm, 13thchoise wrote:
jeff wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
If some of the people on Wayno's "light in the darkness" list
would learn the judicious use of the killfile as I have they
might find roff quite a bit more pleasant.
Yeah, there's nothing quite like plucking your eyes out to make the
world a more attractive place.
Wolfgang
i see stupid people.
the seventh sense...
Mirror

Dumbass.


Brilliant

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"13thchoise" wrote in message
.. .
Wolfgang wrote:
On Feb 1, 8:36 pm, 13thchoise wrote:
jeff wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
If some of the people on Wayno's "light in the darkness" list
would learn the judicious use of the killfile as I have they
might find roff quite a bit more pleasant.
Yeah, there's nothing quite like plucking your eyes out to make the
world a more attractive place.
Wolfgang
i see stupid people.
the seventh sense...
Mirror

Dumbass.


Brilliant

Dumbass.

Wolfgang

"riverman" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'll keep you guys updated as the plan evolves. 80% of it is still in
the planning stages, but the biggest hurdle (getting an outfitter to
agree to import boats) has been passed.

--riverman

Wow, sounds like an awesome trip Riverman,

I look forward to the TR with photos, etc... upon your return.

Thanks,
JT

Wolfgang wrote:
"13thchoise" wrote in message
.. .
Wolfgang wrote:
On Feb 1, 8:36 pm, 13thchoise wrote:
jeff wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
If some of the people on Wayno's "light in the darkness" list
would learn the judicious use of the killfile as I have they
might find roff quite a bit more pleasant.
Yeah, there's nothing quite like plucking your eyes out to make the
world a more attractive place.
Wolfgang
i see stupid people.
the seventh sense...
Mirror
Dumbass.

Brilliant

Dumbass.


Witty

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