Which comes first?

"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
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Bob Weinberger - Snowed in in La Grande, OR and bored to the point of nit
picking spelling & math errors in posts.


I hear that Bob!

17 inches of the white crud over the last week, not a lot compared to others
over that length of time, however we have had over 100 inches fall this year
so far...

Whiteout in the N.W.,
JT
Does the "O" do anything this time of year, wonder what kind of shape it
will be in after last years high water?

briansfly typed:
Tim J. wrote:
Tom Nakashima typed:
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I fish a little different from most of my friends. They seem to
enjoy rushing to wader-up, jump right into the water

Okay. . . I'm with you so far . . .

Some even have cigars dangling from their mouths as they forcefully
wade through the water to get to their spot only to blind cast.

Nope. . . I lost you on this one. Do the cigars have something to do
with the sloppiness of the approach?

I like to scout the area first, look for prime fishing areas, and
watch for fish on the rise, even before I get my waders on. I
would also observe the hatch, or surrounding flies that I think
fish are hitting on.

Okay, we're back on track, but I like a good cigar in my mouth while
doing so. ;-)

Ah, so you are that Tim J. who posts to that stinky cigar group. ;-)

Hey, aren't you that brians who reads that stinky cigar group?
What gave it away? The same identical sig in both groups?
--
TL,
Tim
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"JT" wrote in message
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Does the "O" do anything this time of year, wonder what kind of shape it
will be in after last years high water?
I've heard reports of some spotty BWO & Midge action and even a rumor of
some caught on Skwala Dries. Some but not all the fish are reportedly quite
skinny (probably those recovering from the spawn). I'll probably head over
there with the next warmer weather & decent road conditions.

Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR

Tim J. wrote:

briansfly typed:

Tim J. wrote:

Tom Nakashima typed:
snip

I fish a little different from most of my friends. They seem to
enjoy rushing to wader-up, jump right into the water

Okay. . . I'm with you so far . . .


Some even have cigars dangling from their mouths as they forcefully
wade through the water to get to their spot only to blind cast.

Nope. . . I lost you on this one. Do the cigars have something to do
with the sloppiness of the approach?


I like to scout the area first, look for prime fishing areas, and
watch for fish on the rise, even before I get my waders on. I
would also observe the hatch, or surrounding flies that I think
fish are hitting on.

Okay, we're back on track, but I like a good cigar in my mouth while
doing so. ;-)

Ah, so you are that Tim J. who posts to that stinky cigar group. ;-)


Hey, aren't you that brians who reads that stinky cigar group?

Yes. I was active for several years, but mostly lurk now.

What gave it away? The same identical sig in both groups?

Didn't really dawn on me till just a few weeks ago. FWIW, I had an
Upmann, Monarch while checking out a old favorite spot of mine.

enjoy
brians

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:32:07 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"JT" wrote in message
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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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It was Dave Whitlock who taught me to pick up a rock from the river
and rub the fly in the moss to kill the scent from your hands before
making
a presentation to the fish.

Dries, wet or all flies?

JT

Dave does this on dries, wets and nymphs, so I'm assuming all flies.
I also read it in one of Whitlock's books I have at home, I'll see if I can
dig it up again over the weekend. When I saw Dave at the ISE show I
questioned him on this, and he told me it's a very important step before
the presentation to the fish.

Oh, it is, it is...it's almost as very important as making sure your fly
touches the water before your line...that's why only rock-rubbing
line-suspenders manage to catch fish...

Makes good sense to me.

OK.

I love reading and talking to experts about fishing techniques, and
sometimes it surprises me the little things that these well established
anglers do.

And it never surprises me what people will fall for...for example, the
late, great angler Reilly I. Schittuknott told folks that he always sat
on his fly box and farted before fishing. Of course, as great a
fisherman as Reilly was, most of his innovations stunk...

HTH,
R
....of course, Dave may just like to see greenhorns out looking for a
good rock to rub...

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:18:42 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"Tim J." wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima typed:

Okay. . . I'm with you so far . . .
Some even have cigars dangling from their mouths as they forcefully wade
through the water to get to their spot only to blind cast.

Nope. . . I lost you on this one. Do the cigars have something to do with
the sloppiness of the approach?

I don't do cigars because I believe it was our 42nd President who said;
"Cigars are for pussys!"
On a serious note, it's not so much the downwind smoke, but tying your
fly to the tippet after touching the stogie. Fish have a keen sense of
smell.
It was Dave Whitlock who taught me to pick up a rock from the river
and rub the fly in the moss to kill the scent from your hands before making
a presentation to the fish. What this does is actually pick up a natural
scent from the river. Dave does this everytime he fishes. Even hand tied
flies have an odor to them from just the materials used as he put it.

Did he tell you what he rubs his worms on?

HTH,
R
fwiw,
-tom

wrote:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote:
It was Dave Whitlock who taught me to pick up a rock from the river
and rub the fly in the moss to kill the scent from your hands before
making
a presentation to the fish.

And it never surprises me what people will fall for...
snip
...of course, Dave may just like to see greenhorns out looking for a
good rock to rub...

LOL ! It's scary to realize we think alike. I flashed on a mental
image of Dave Whitlock standing streamside doubled over laughing
and slapping his knee at some tyro rubbing his fly with wet moss.

Tom you really need to attend a 'Clave one of these days, you can
be the guest of honor and hold the bag during the snipe hunt. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:21:23 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


and fly hitting the water before the line. It's more difficult than
one could imagine.

Yeah, I bet it is. Any chance of video clip of a few low 20-plus
yard/meter casts of you managing this?

For the original poster, it depends - with some casts (a drop or tuck),
the fly _will_ land first, with others (a wiggle), the line _should_
land first and most times, how "softly" the fly lands really isn't
important. "Presentation" is not just the fly landing.

R

Tom Nakashima wrote:
fish.
fwiw,
-tom





though it's agin my nature to decide much about folks from their posts
here, tom...please, one day before i'm too old to keep up with you,
please...come over to nc and fish a few "creeks" with us. i think you'll
enjoy the postgraduate course on carolina mountain trout fishing by
profaner...uh, professor jim roberts.

jeff

Conan The Librarian wrote:

Tim J. wrote:

It's probably just crappy fishing technique, but I've never caught
more or less fish after the cigar. Well, maybe less fish, but there's
not much doubt in my mind that I can't blame that on the cigar.


As someone who is known to enjoy a cigarette by the stream, I can
honestly say that my best fish have been caught right after taking a
smoke. When I was in western NC, I adopted the practice of approaching
the stream and sitting down for a smoke before I cast to any really
promising-looking water.

I did it to slow myself down and really savor my surroundings, and
the fish seemed to like it, too. And the fact that I had smoke on my
hands/breath/whatever didn't cause any refusals on their part.

Of course they were just dumb, mountain hillbilly fish, not urbane,
discriminating, west-coast fish, so they probably just didn't know any
better.


Chuck Vance (heck, they probably smoked as well)



actually, it was all part of the federal tobacco buyout program...even
our trout participated. pure southern gratitude, i'm sure.