New Waders

Kevin Vang wrote:
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Hart, you were behaving almost like a civilized member
of polite society for a while. I think it might be time
to put a fresh layer of aluminum foil in the hat, as the
current one seems to be wearing out. In fact, you might
want to double up, as there is an election year coming up.

Ever helpful,

Kevin

It really is embarrassing to be an American sometimes, with people like
Hart mouthing off. My apologies to all non-US members of ROFF for his
offensive behavior.

Bill Kiene has said in the past that American-made waders (Simms and [I
assume] Patagonia) are (in his opinion, presumably) the best in the
market, and that there are a lot of imported waders that just don't
measure up. Thank God there's at least one manufactured item where the
USA is holding its own. Forget hooks -- that's history.

Not having tried any brands of waders recently besides Simms and
Patagonia, I can't offer an educated opinion. I do, however, think it's
rash and shortsighted to try to save money on waders. I have two pair of
Simms guideweights, one of which is a year old and holding up well, and
the other -- my spare -- which was reconditioned (new neoprene feet,
mainly) by Simms at a modest cost of $60, after three years of extreme
abuse. They look kind of funky, but they work like a new pair.

My waders invariably wear out in the feet. I'll get some pinhole leaks
and minor tears that are patchable, but once the feet go, that's it.
Back to the factory.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Pricks like Yuji gets as they deserve Vang. He chose not to keep his
bull**** to hissownself, let him wallow in it.

I'm not sure I understand this. Americans are the major force behind the
push for globalization. Why? Because Americans feel that market forces
should rule, right? Aren't we all about capitalism? Isn't it all about the
Great American Dream? And really, we only are pushing for globalization
simply because we think it benefits us. And so far it has. We may have
lost some manufacturing jobs since NAFTA, for example, but interestingly,
our economy has been incredible since (even including this so-called
recession). Further, one could argue that we are doing the world some good
by exporting jobs to places that need it (and yes, I suspect there's some
abuses in 'sweat shops' but I also believe most people employed due to
globalization are happy to be working...even $.10 an hour is better than
nothing, especially when the average annual income is measured in dollars,
maybe hundreds of dollars, not tens of thousands of dollars; the United
States was scrambling for those kind of jobs a century or two ago), and one
could argue that we are exporting the 'dirty' jobs (manufacturing typically
includes a lot of environmental damage -- yes I understand we are sending
them to countries with less restrictive environmental laws and maybe instead
of complaining about it, we should help those countries understand the value
of environmental protections (not easy with Bush exiting the Kyoto
protocol--but even that continued the abuses of third-world countries)),
therefore benefiting our local environment.

So, in essence, by taking on an American-made only stance, one is left with
siding with protectionism and government regulations (similar to siding with
socialism and communism; and of course, also taking a stance contrary to the
recent WTO ruling regarding the improper American steel tariffs) and also
supporting limited consumer choice, but one is also left with 1) it's better
to have American's making a relatively low wage compared to foreign *people*
making a relatively decent wage, 2) attempting to keep the *dirty* work here
(ask your local Trout Unlimited chapters about the history of industrial
pollution in this country) and 3) attempting to retard the progression to a
more "knowledge-based" economy -- and after all, isn't that why you want
your children to get a good education?

And of course, what's wrong with a guy wanting the best freakin' waders for
the money? Skip the fact that he's Canadian and couldn't give a flip about
whether some American made it (similarly to how American's aren't checking
for the "Made in Canada" label).

Lastly, the statement "Pricks like Yuji gets as they deserve Vang." is a
rather humorous mix of seeming ethnicities/nationalities when defending an
American Only stance.

"Tim Carter" wrote in message
...

Pricks like Yuji gets as they deserve Vang. He chose not to keep his
bull**** to hissownself, let him wallow in it.

I'm not sure I understand this. Americans are the major force behind the
push for globalization. Why? Because Americans feel that market forces
should rule, right? Aren't we all about capitalism? Isn't it all about
the
Great American Dream? And really, we only are pushing for globalization
simply because we think it benefits us. And so far it has. We may have
lost some manufacturing jobs since NAFTA, for example, but interestingly,
our economy has been incredible since (even including this so-called
recession). Further, one could argue that we are doing the world some
good
by exporting jobs to places that need it (and yes, I suspect there's some
abuses in 'sweat shops' but I also believe most people employed due to
globalization are happy to be working...even $.10 an hour is better than
nothing, especially when the average annual income is measured in dollars,
maybe hundreds of dollars, not tens of thousands of dollars; the United
States was scrambling for those kind of jobs a century or two ago), and
one
could argue that we are exporting the 'dirty' jobs (manufacturing
typically
includes a lot of environmental damage -- yes I understand we are sending
them to countries with less restrictive environmental laws and maybe
instead
of complaining about it, we should help those countries understand the
value
of environmental protections (not easy with Bush exiting the Kyoto
protocol--but even that continued the abuses of third-world countries)),
therefore benefiting our local environment.

So, in essence, by taking on an American-made only stance, one is left
with
siding with protectionism and government regulations (similar to siding
with
socialism and communism; and of course, also taking a stance contrary to
the
recent WTO ruling regarding the improper American steel tariffs) and also
supporting limited consumer choice, but one is also left with 1) it's
better
to have American's making a relatively low wage compared to foreign
*people*
making a relatively decent wage, 2) attempting to keep the *dirty* work
here
(ask your local Trout Unlimited chapters about the history of industrial
pollution in this country) and 3) attempting to retard the progression to
a
more "knowledge-based" economy -- and after all, isn't that why you want
your children to get a good education?

And of course, what's wrong with a guy wanting the best freakin' waders
for
the money? Skip the fact that he's Canadian and couldn't give a flip
about
whether some American made it (similarly to how American's aren't checking
for the "Made in Canada" label).

Lastly, the statement "Pricks like Yuji gets as they deserve Vang." is a
rather humorous mix of seeming ethnicities/nationalities when defending an
American Only stance.

I don't know how it works in the rest of the world.....never been
there.....but Americans tend to overanalyze even the simplest
things.....witness the above. It's really very simple; the American economy
runs on an abundant supply of cheap aromatic hydrocarbons. Hart's brain
does the same.

Wolfgang
there's no news like old news.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:02:07 GMT, rw
wrote:


Not having tried any brands of waders recently besides Simms and
Patagonia, I can't offer an educated opinion. I do, however, think it's
rash and shortsighted to try to save money on waders. I have two pair of
Simms guideweights, one of which is a year old and holding up well, and
the other -- my spare -- which was reconditioned (new neoprene feet,
mainly) by Simms at a modest cost of $60, after three years of extreme
abuse. They look kind of funky, but they work like a new pair.


My criteria for waders wasn't the same as Yuji's as I wasn't worried
about small packing. The expensive Simms are obviously excellent but
I was underwhelmed comparing the Freestone to the Wardells. I realize
they're not exactly comparable but the Wardells has suspenders,
buckles and attachment points that were much beefier. Since I wasn't
prepared to lay out megabucks, they were excellent value for the money
and still dry as a bone.



Peter

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Walt,

I am looking for a pair of backup waders. My gamer is a pair of Simms
guideweights but I guess I still qualify as a prick according to one of the
other denizens of this newsgroup.

Best regards,

Yuji Sakuma

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"walt winter" wrote in message
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why the hell would you prefer an inferior product to save a few
bucks? do you like getting wet?

no new waders from simms in 2004.... why? well, it's probably
gonna take the competition 5 years to catch up.

waldo

I don't own them but have heard good things about the Dan Bailys....Last time
down to Penns i lost a boot so into Jonas's i go to buy a pair did buy a par of
Bailys....The Bailys rep was there toting his products but give them credit
they have a unique warranty 2, 3 years down the road you can upgrade by trading
in you old waders towards the new ones...Ask Frankie about them he bought a
pair last year. I have the Orvis but have also heard good things about Simms


Handyman Mike
Standing in a river waving a stick

I don't know how it works in the rest of the world.....never been
there.....but Americans tend to overanalyze even the simplest
things.....witness the above. It's really very simple; the American
economy
runs on an abundant supply of cheap aromatic hydrocarbons. Hart's brain
does the same.

Wolfgang
there's no news like old news.

Just say 'No' Wolfgang. You can do it...we are all pulling for ya.

I don't know how it works in the rest of the world.....never been
there.....but Americans tend to overanalyze even the simplest
things.....witness the above. It's really very simple; the American
economy
runs on an abundant supply of cheap aromatic hydrocarbons. Hart's brain
does the same.

Wolfgang
there's no news like old news.

Just say 'No' Wolfgang. You can do it...we are all pulling for ya.


--Sorry if a repost...I seem to have problems with some messages not
appearing on my server.

"Tim Carter" wrote in message
...

Just say 'No' Wolfgang. You can do it...we are all pulling for ya.


--Sorry if a repost...I seem to have problems with some messages not
appearing on my server.

It IS a repost. As a matter of fact, it has been posted a hundred or more
times over as many signatures in the past five years or so. NEVER do it
again! Give someone else a chance.

Wolfgang
surrounded by selfish *******s.

"Yuji Sakuma" wrote in message
.. .
Walt,

I am looking for a pair of backup waders. My gamer is a pair of Simms
guideweights but I guess I still qualify as a prick according to one of
the
other denizens of this newsgroup.

Best regards,

Yuji Sakuma

DAMN! I swear, I never said a word!

Wolfgang