Specter Has An Answer For retarded beancounters everywhere

wrote:
A perfect example of the partisan foothold in the US. The main reason he's
switching because he if he doesn't, he's at risk. IOW, if the same guy, who'll
vote the same way (more or less), runs as GOP, Obama, etc. won't support him,
but if he calls himself a Dem, they will. Same decent guy, same principles,
different label. ...

It's not so much that Obama, et al. will support him it's
that what's left of the Pennsylvania Republicans won't support
him. Moderate Republicans turned Dem by the hundreds of thousands
and the only folks left in the Pennsylvania GOP are the whackjobs.
Specter can't win the GOP primary and because of Pennsylvania's
"sore loser" law he can't run as an independent if he loses so he
only has two choices; become an independent before the primaries
or become a Democrat. Pennsylvania, like most states, makes it
onerous and expensive for third party and independent candidates
to get on the ballot so he's now a Democrat.

And speaking of non-events, I took a **** this morning when I woke up....

I don't know about this being a non-event. The threat of a filibuster
has always been more important than the actual filibuster. When
Franken is seated there will be one less arrow in the GOP's political
quiver.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:39:07 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


wrote in message
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A perfect example of the partisan foothold in the US. The main reason
he's
switching because he if he doesn't, he's at risk. IOW, if the same guy,
who'll
vote the same way (more or less), runs as GOP, Obama, etc. won't support
him,
but if he calls himself a Dem, they will.

Obama and he have worked together well from the git-go. What the heck are
you talking about?

Then why wouldn't Obama and his allegedly-nonpartisan administration support him
regardless of his party affiliation - IOW, "I think this is the best person for
the job because he's a good man, he has accomplished whatever" rather than "I
think this is the best person for the job because he's now a Democrat..." And I
gotta say, hearing about Biden's role in this has made me lose respect for him
(Biden).

From what I've read and heard, Specter switched _almost_ exclusively because the
polls have him down _badly_ and it appears to him that he will lose as a
Republican, his lip service to other reason(s) aside. And while I don't agree
with much Steele has said thus far, I do agree, generally, with his assessment
of Specter insofar as to what this says about his character the 2004
election. Frankly, it doesn't say much for the voters of PA, either, as they
are doing the same thing as Obama. I hope he loses as a Dem (and I'd feel the
same way if he went Dem to GOP), although I didn't know about the "sore loser"
law. Ah, well, so be it - I still hope he loses in the primary (I don't care if
Toomey wins the election).

What'll really be karma is if there is swing back to the GOP (or really, an
anti-party-in-power swing, and given the historical and current conditions, it's
not impossible), and whoever runs as the GOP candidate hands him his ass simply
because of being GOP, and then, turns out to be a really sorry-assed Senator for
PA...

Either way, as one of the rare informed voters in PA or anywhere else, good
luck...

TC,
R

Tom

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:31:20 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
A perfect example of the partisan foothold in the US. The main reason he's
switching because he if he doesn't, he's at risk. IOW, if the same guy, who'll
vote the same way (more or less), runs as GOP, Obama, etc. won't support him,
but if he calls himself a Dem, they will. Same decent guy, same principles,
different label. ...

It's not so much that Obama, et al. will support him it's
that what's left of the Pennsylvania Republicans won't support
him. Moderate Republicans turned Dem by the hundreds of thousands
and the only folks left in the Pennsylvania GOP are the whackjobs.
Specter can't win the GOP primary and because of Pennsylvania's
"sore loser" law he can't run as an independent if he loses so he
only has two choices; become an independent before the primaries
or become a Democrat. Pennsylvania, like most states, makes it
onerous and expensive for third party and independent candidates
to get on the ballot so he's now a Democrat.

And speaking of non-events, I took a **** this morning when I woke up....

I don't know about this being a non-event. The threat of a filibuster
has always been more important than the actual filibuster. When
Franken is seated there will be one less arrow in the GOP's political
quiver.

And if history is any teacher, 2010 and 2012 will see a pretty heavy swing to
the GOP, for both anti-"party-in-power" reasons and some pro-GOP reasons. And
the really scary thing about it is that idiots like Limpdick seem to be steering
the ship. If Jindal and those like him will stay true to their (real)
principles and take over, it would be a good thing.

TC,
R

FWIW - a smallish round-up of various opinions/commentary:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...src=newsletter

R

wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:31:20 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
A perfect example of the partisan foothold in the US. The main reason he's
switching because he if he doesn't, he's at risk. IOW, if the same guy, who'll
vote the same way (more or less), runs as GOP, Obama, etc. won't support him,
but if he calls himself a Dem, they will. Same decent guy, same principles,
different label. ...
It's not so much that Obama, et al. will support him it's
that what's left of the Pennsylvania Republicans won't support
him. Moderate Republicans turned Dem by the hundreds of thousands
and the only folks left in the Pennsylvania GOP are the whackjobs.
Specter can't win the GOP primary and because of Pennsylvania's
"sore loser" law he can't run as an independent if he loses so he
only has two choices; become an independent before the primaries
or become a Democrat. Pennsylvania, like most states, makes it
onerous and expensive for third party and independent candidates
to get on the ballot so he's now a Democrat.

And speaking of non-events, I took a **** this morning when I woke up....
I don't know about this being a non-event. The threat of a filibuster
has always been more important than the actual filibuster. When
Franken is seated there will be one less arrow in the GOP's political
quiver.

And if history is any teacher, 2010 and 2012 will see a pretty heavy swing to
the GOP, for both anti-"party-in-power" reasons and some pro-GOP reasons.

More wishful thinking ? ;-)

In the mid-term elections of 1998 Clinton's Dems picked up 5 seats
in the House. In the 2002 mid-term Shrub's GOP picked up 8 seats
in the House and 2 in the Senate. The mid-terms aren't necessarily
going to produce that which you are so desperately wishing for.

And
the really scary thing about it is that idiots like Limpdick seem to be steering
the ship. If Jindal and those like him will stay true to their (real)
principles and take over, it would be a good thing.

Jindal ? Good gawd, talk about not ready for primetime. The poor
thing couldn't poor **** out of a boot if you printed the instructions
on the heel.

And like it or not, El Rushbo *is* the GOP, his constituency is the
GOP demographic of the first decades of the 21st century; angry,
white, uneducated, less affluent, fundamentalist Christian and living
in the Deep South. Good luck winning anything nationwide with *that*
20% of the electorate. The best you can hope for is to not lose more
ground in the Senate.

--
Ken Fortenberry

drink up the koolaid folks...what a bunch of lemings...


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On Apr 29, 5:44*am, wrote:
SNIP
Either way, as one of the rare informed voters in PA or anywhere else, good
luck...

TC,
R


Here, let me help you.

1. Why did Specter switch and why does Obama now support him?
a. Duh, because politicians try to get elected?
b. Because the Pres. needs his vote?

2. Why are you focusing on Specter?
a. Because it would be nice if the public didn't notice that your dead
ender friends in Congress have been filibustering most of Obama's
health appointments in the face of an epidemic?
b. Because you have finally done the required reading on the Bush/
Cheney torture initiatives and learned that the definition of pain you
said was weenie level, turns out to be ORGAN FAILURE, among other
things.
c. To spin your version of "non-partisanship" which presently ignores
the FACT that Specter could not have been re-elected so many times in
P.A unless MANY DEMOCRATS crossed party lines and voted for the man,
not the party.

Here, you want a good venue to work your magic? Lots of complexity,
mixed loyalties, etc? Wait for it . . .

Rep. Jane Harman, (D Calif), caught on NSA tape trading help for
Israeli Spies to get Intel Chairmanship.

Jane was caught red handed on tape bartering her help in getting
indictments surpressed for 2 Israeli agents, working as AIPAC
lobbyists, who are charged with spying. The targets of the spy cell
were the congressional intelligence committee members and staff.
Buried by the Bushies, and a hot potato for the Obamites, anonomous
and angry intell professionals are leaking info on this tape, while
Jane and the Israeli lobby spins an "illegal NSA tapping of Congress"
story, to keep the media away from the espionage part of the story.
The intell pros and some in the FBI are angry because sensitive
information and technology they believe was passed thru the
"lobbyists" has appeared in equipment sold by the Israelis to folks
not necessarily friendly to the US. Even one of your fave whipping
girls, (Pelosi) is involved.

Dave

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...c=news letter

HTH,
R

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
I don't know about this being a non-event. The threat of a filibuster
has always been more important than the actual filibuster. When
Franken is seated there will be one less arrow in the GOP's political
quiver.

actually, Ken, I don't think Specter's defection affects the chances of a
filibuster on many issues at all. What it DOES do, however, is open the
gates for the defection of moderate Republicans, most especially in the
Northeast and Northwest of the nation. Take, for example, Collins and Snowe
in Maine. It will take very little of the conservative party-line BS like
that issued today by Steele and McConnell to push either or both of those
Senators into the D column. Not to mention, a host of elected officials
nationwide. Moderate Republicans, like Specter, have been harassed,
challenged and basically humiliated, politically, by an over-aggressive
right wing orthodoxy in the GOP for a while now. For Specter, it was a case
of payback is a bitch....and, while paying back, he kicked the Grand Old
Party in the nuts on the way out the door.
Good for him.
Tom

wrote in message
...
Then why wouldn't Obama and his allegedly-nonpartisan administration
support him
regardless of his party affiliation - IOW, "I think this is the best
person for
the job because he's a good man, he has accomplished whatever" rather
than "I
think this is the best person for the job because he's now a Democrat..."

If you will recall a private conversation we had, I told you that not so
much the administration, but the entire Democratic Party hierarchy in PA was
planning to do just that.Not that Torasella is a bad guy, but Specter has
friends.


Either way, as one of the rare informed voters in PA or anywhere else,
good
luck...
No problem. Sad to say, you are so off base from the reality of PA politics,
the character of Arlen Specter or the makeup of the electorate here, I
couldn't begin to rebut the snipped part of your message in this format.
Just a brief comment: This has been in the works for over 3 years, the GOP
more than had it coming from how Specter was treated(on a personal
level....Steele is full of **** up to his eyeballs), and Specter will run in
the Dem primary unchallenged next Spring and win the general election by at
least 25 percent.Guar-on-teed
Tom