Rod costs

Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't
produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Some of you may find this interesting;
http://www.sexyloops.com/sparton/graphiterods.shtml

TL
MC

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Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't
produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand.

Do you think that the brand name could be causing some of that? I
would sooner trust a Sage than a unknown brand even though the
unknown brand may cast and look just as good. Not being able to try
the unknown brand or see them first hand causes me to have doubts and
might sway me enough to spend the $600+ for the Sage. Do you see fly
shops starting to carry more of these unknown rods in the future?
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I would guess that nearly every shop carries at least one line of imported
rods. Redington is a good example. Temple forks are stirring a lot of
interest. they are the rods that are selling in this downturn


"Warren" wrote in message
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Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't
produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand.

Do you think that the brand name could be causing some of that? I
would sooner trust a Sage than a unknown brand even though the
unknown brand may cast and look just as good. Not being able to try
the unknown brand or see them first hand causes me to have doubts and
might sway me enough to spend the $600+ for the Sage. Do you see fly
shops starting to carry more of these unknown rods in the future?
--
Warren
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lid wrote...
I would guess that nearly every shop carries at least one line of imported
rods. Redington is a good example. Temple forks are stirring a lot of
interest. they are the rods that are selling in this downturn

That trend doesn't seem to be very widespread up here yet. I know of
one shop that carries Redington and another that carries St Croix.
All the others have only high $ name brand rods. Not much of a
selection for seven fly shops.....
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:14:56 -0700, Warren wrote:

wrote...
I would guess that nearly every shop carries at least one line of imported
rods. Redington is a good example. Temple forks are stirring a lot of
interest. they are the rods that are selling in this downturn

That trend doesn't seem to be very widespread up here yet. I know of
one shop that carries Redington and another that carries St Croix.
All the others have only high $ name brand rods. Not much of a
selection for seven fly shops.....
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Harumph!!! St.Croix rods are not imported. Unless you consider Wisconsin a
foreign country (Jeff, stay out of this.). The only reason they cost less
is because us Cheeseheads aren't afraid of doing a little work.

g.c.

That trend doesn't seem to be very widespread up here yet. I know of
one shop that carries Redington and another that carries St Croix.
All the others have only high $ name brand rods. Not much of a
selection for seven fly shops.....

I agree Warren. Kind of strange up here in Big Sky Country.
The shops keep saying how tough it is right now, but you ask
them about TFO or Elkhorn, etc and they try and steer your
right back to Sage, Scott, Winston, etc. Nothing wrong with
those rods, but I don't understand why they don't try and
compete with the Scheel's and other big name sporting goods
stores that carry the less expensive rods.

Warren wrote:
wrote...

Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't
produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand.


Do you think that the brand name could be causing some of that? I
would sooner trust a Sage than a unknown brand even though the
unknown brand may cast and look just as good. Not being able to try
the unknown brand or see them first hand causes me to have doubts and
might sway me enough to spend the $600+ for the Sage. Do you see fly
shops starting to carry more of these unknown rods in the future?

I think the reason is that there are a LOT of people for whom $600+ for
a rod is close to nothing. It's only two days of paying for a guide
(minus tip).

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wrote...
I think the reason is that there are a LOT of people for whom $600+ for
a rod is close to nothing. It's only two days of paying for a guide
(minus tip).

That's probably why most of the shops up here carry only name brand
rods I guess.
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Hi Warren,

We are selling imported TFO, Redington and Orvis rods now. The net effect
for me and I imagine other fly shops is that we are finally selling rods to
customers that would normally shop with Cabelas mail order or ecommerce. We
have very nice import rods starting at $89 TFO in 2 pc and now $98 Orvis in
4 piece. This price point is making it easier for people to get into the
sport or to try a different size outfit with out breaking the bank or
getting divorced.

When we sell fly tying thread for $1 a spool, who can say a $100 rod sale is
going to be bad for my business????? The person that is going to buy the
$100 rod was not thinking of buying a $600 rod when he came in the shop. We
also sell lots of great mid-price US rods in the $300 range.

I spent 10 years in the general fishing tackle business(1965-1975) before I
opened my fly shop(1975) so all this price point stuff is standard retailing
for me.

Lots of anglers going on a $3000+ fishing trip will buy a high end Sage rod
and then maybe a low end for a back up.

I think that a trend will be that the big name US rod companies like Sage
will have their low-medium priced rods made overseas (Redington connection)
and then build their high end here.

You are right about the "no name" rod companies.

If you and I wanted to start a rod company, "Warren & Bill's Super Stiks",
all we have to do is contact a rod factory in Korea, Taiwan or China and
tell them what we want. This is happening. Anyone can do it with a little
money.

We have to be careful what rod companies we put in our shop because down the
road, if the company is not here to warranty the rod, I have to make it good
myself. This could get expensive.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com

"Warren" wrote in message
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Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't
produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand.

Do you think that the brand name could be causing some of that? I
would sooner trust a Sage than a unknown brand even though the
unknown brand may cast and look just as good. Not being able to try
the unknown brand or see them first hand causes me to have doubts and
might sway me enough to spend the $600+ for the Sage. Do you see fly
shops starting to carry more of these unknown rods in the future?
--
Warren
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Fly Fish America has an article on rods costing less than $300. They state
that nearly 2/3's of the rods sold will be in this group. Of course, every
major manufacturer hs at least one entry. Hard to say which are made in the
USA


"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
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Hi Warren,

We are selling imported TFO, Redington and Orvis rods now. The net effect
for me and I imagine other fly shops is that we are finally selling rods
to
customers that would normally shop with Cabelas mail order or ecommerce.
We
have very nice import rods starting at $89 TFO in 2 pc and now $98 Orvis
in
4 piece. This price point is making it easier for people to get into the
sport or to try a different size outfit with out breaking the bank or
getting divorced.

When we sell fly tying thread for $1 a spool, who can say a $100 rod sale
is
going to be bad for my business????? The person that is going to buy the
$100 rod was not thinking of buying a $600 rod when he came in the shop.
We
also sell lots of great mid-price US rods in the $300 range.

I spent 10 years in the general fishing tackle business(1965-1975) before
I
opened my fly shop(1975) so all this price point stuff is standard
retailing
for me.

Lots of anglers going on a $3000+ fishing trip will buy a high end Sage
rod
and then maybe a low end for a back up.

I think that a trend will be that the big name US rod companies like Sage
will have their low-medium priced rods made overseas (Redington
connection)
and then build their high end here.

You are right about the "no name" rod companies.

If you and I wanted to start a rod company, "Warren & Bill's Super Stiks",
all we have to do is contact a rod factory in Korea, Taiwan or China and
tell them what we want. This is happening. Anyone can do it with a little
money.

We have to be careful what rod companies we put in our shop because down
the
road, if the company is not here to warranty the rod, I have to make it
good
myself. This could get expensive.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com

"Warren" wrote in message
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Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't
produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand.

Do you think that the brand name could be causing some of that? I
would sooner trust a Sage than a unknown brand even though the
unknown brand may cast and look just as good. Not being able to try
the unknown brand or see them first hand causes me to have doubts and
might sway me enough to spend the $600+ for the Sage. Do you see fly
shops starting to carry more of these unknown rods in the future?
--
Warren
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