Ted Kennedy

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
you mean this guy?
snip
Another hatemongering wingnut creep heard from. And this one's
a plagiarizer not to mention a sorry excuse for a human being.

Thanks a lot, Tom. You've managed to entice some of the vermin
to crawl out of the woodwork.

What this place needs is another rod loading thread. ;-)

Thanks Ken, Nice to be thought of

Well, like most people I don't think of the cockroaches in the
wall until I see them scurrying across the floor. And you're
quite welcome.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Look, liberals, here is the bottom line – keep goosestepping towards
the cliff while Conservatives let you think you’re in charge. This
fight is slowly but surely escalating and will undoubtedly boil over
into violence that none of us want in the not-so-distant future unless
cooler heads prevail.

Who do you think would be best positioned for victory in a
conventional confrontation over ideals? You have Bawney Fwank and
ACORN, we have millions of guns and a mostly-Conservative military. Do
yourselves a favor, actually read the full Constitution. Learn in
painful detail what our forefathers experienced and why they made
those key decisions that gave birth to our nation.

Stop blindly believing what politicians and networks tell you to
believe and use some common sense. Do you want a nation where you are
reliant on the government for everything…or would you rather rely on
yourselves and your fellow citizens? If our society becomes government-
controlled and one day you decided that you were wrong and didn’t like
the situation…where would you go? What other nation on earth would
give you the same freedoms we have right now? With those freedoms
comes responsibility, so please think about your values and the
decisions you make. A solid majority of Americans do not want the
government takeover that is slowly being forced upon us, sooner or
later something has to give.

On Aug 27, 1:16*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
you mean this guy?
snip
Another hatemongering wingnut creep heard from. And this one's
a plagiarizer not to mention a sorry excuse for a human being.

Thanks a lot, Tom. You've managed to entice some of the vermin
to crawl out of the woodwork.

What this place needs is another rod loading thread. ;-)

Thanks Ken, Nice to be thought of

Well, like most people I don't think of the cockroaches in the
wall until I see them scurrying across the floor. And you're
quite welcome.

--
Ken Fortenberry

In relatively short order, Ted Kennedy lost 3 brothers and soon
thereafter, not surprisingly made a horrible decision as a very young
man. I did not agree with many of Kennedy's positions, but it is good
enough for me to know that some of his closest friends were
conservative Republicans like Orin Hatch. I cannot say with a clear
conscious that had I lost one brother in a war and 2 to
assassinations, all within 15 or 20 years (two within 5 or 6 years of
his fateful mistake) I would not have a drinking problem.

I have ALWAYS been a conservative and my values still lead me in this
direction. But when I hear the lack of decency displayed in so short
an order after his death (combined with observing the uncivil behavior
of the right in other venues such as the health care debate and recent
elections), I am sickened. It causes me to wonder where the decent
folks of this line of thinking have gone.

I am sure the zealots who find it necessary to deliberate on Kennedy's
weaknesses, mistakes, and vices could improve their lives greatly by
modeling their behavior after Ronald Reagan who considered Ted Kennedy
to be a friend. Reagan had a sunny disposition, and drew even those
not prone to favor the conservative cause to be far more willing to
work with him and not against. He would not have condoned the
rhetoric on this thread I am certain. Where is our Reagan and why
have conservatives lost their way in following his example?

well, I warned you, Keng.......

Anyhow, I am probably in agreement with Family-Outdoors(by the way, a name
would be nice, F-O.). I figured on a few demonstrations of blind ideology
overtaking any nuance or sense of dignity. The whole of the man's life is a
bizarre picture, but maybe Will is correct that the ledger tilts to the
positive. I don't know.
Rick speaks of conduct the man apparently got behind himself 10 years or so
ago. Certainly, he benefitted from undue priviledge in the handling of his
causing the death of another. Yet, politically, he became very savvy and a
positive legislative influence. He stuck to certain principles in his
legislative agenda with consistency. Time will tell where the verdict falls.
Tom

On Aug 27, 4:47*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
well, I warned you, Keng.......

Anyhow, I am probably in agreement with Family-Outdoors(by the way, a name
would be nice, F-O.). I figured on a few demonstrations of blind ideology
overtaking any nuance or sense of dignity. The whole of the man's life is a
bizarre picture, but maybe Will is correct that the ledger tilts to the
positive. I don't know.
Rick speaks of conduct the man apparently got behind himself 10 years or so
ago. Certainly, he benefitted from undue priviledge in the handling of his
causing the death of another. Yet, politically, he became very savvy and a
positive legislative influence. He stuck to certain principles in his
legislative agenda with consistency. Time will tell where the verdict falls.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Agree in total...
Family-Outdoors (Probably not F-O aka Allen Mann

wrote in message
...
And for the record, my disgust with him has nothing to do with
his politics, but rather, the way he conducted himself in his "personal
life,"
and encouraged family members to conduct themselves in theirs. For
example,
William Smith was _probably_ innocent of rape, but literally under his
uncle's
influence, he found himself in trouble.

yet, you write about his "hiding his true persona" in a way akin to a
Klansman in a robe. Where the hell does that analogy come into play??
Really, if you are suggesting that he masked his foibles from the public,
that doesn't wash. Probably very few people in the history of the planet
have been scrutinized, for longer, than the Kennedy clan. If someone out
there didn't know of Ted's moral shortcomings, they have been in a cave or
something. So, what exactly makes the late Senator a 'pussy', hiding his
true self or purpose? I don't get it.
Now, that said, I never quite understood the Kennedy Worship that one sees
in eastern Massachusetts. It's sort of creepy, and the whole dynasty concept
gives me the willies. MA residents: is it a given that another Sen.Kennedy
will succeed the late Teddy?
Tom

On 2009-08-27 17:53:27 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said:

MA residents: is it a given that another Sen.Kennedy
will succeed the late Teddy?

Probably. The Kenndy name wins in for Massholes. There was a guy in
Lowell who could not get elected, couldn't even win in the primaries.
He legally changed his name to Kennedy and won a local election -
nothing big, mind you, but the name won him a seat in some small school
committee or council.

With all the warts Ted had - Chappiquidick, the Florida trial of his
nephew where it came out that he took them out drinking, knowing that
they had prolems with the sauce, his drunken binge with Dodd in a DC
restaurant, his cheating in college, his driving record, his trouble
with alchohol, his fat homely face with all the gin blosooms - he still
got elected and served his people well. I certainly won't miss him
like I did his brothers, and anyone replacing him in the Senate will
only be a pretender to the Kennedy Thrown.

Now, one must admit that if poor Teddy was a Republican his **** would
really, REALLY, stink. But because he is a liberal Dem, even his farts
are odorless.

Dave

Family-Outdoors wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:16 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
you mean this guy?
snip
Another hatemongering wingnut creep heard from. And this one's
a plagiarizer not to mention a sorry excuse for a human being.
Thanks a lot, Tom. You've managed to entice some of the vermin
to crawl out of the woodwork.
What this place needs is another rod loading thread. ;-)
Thanks Ken, Nice to be thought of
Well, like most people I don't think of the cockroaches in the
wall until I see them scurrying across the floor. And you're
quite welcome.

--
Ken Fortenberry

In relatively short order, Ted Kennedy lost 3 brothers and soon
thereafter, not surprisingly made a horrible decision as a very young
man. I did not agree with many of Kennedy's positions, but it is good
enough for me to know that some of his closest friends were
conservative Republicans like Orin Hatch.

That relationship always seemed odd to me. Maybe says a lot about both men.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26482.html


Russell

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:53:27 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
And for the record, my disgust with him has nothing to do with
his politics, but rather, the way he conducted himself in his "personal
life,"
and encouraged family members to conduct themselves in theirs. For
example,
William Smith was _probably_ innocent of rape, but literally under his
uncle's
influence, he found himself in trouble.

yet, you write about his "hiding his true persona" in a way akin to a
Klansman in a robe.

I did? What I said was that my father didn't like the Klan because they did
"hate" but hid and that if one is going to "hate" someone (I didn't and don't
"hate" Ted, but someone - Ken? - used the term - I prefer to say "dislike"),
have the guts to do it in the open. I've never made a secret of my dislike for
Ted (and his brothers, father, as well as several other Kennedys), and so, I
feel no reason to hide my feelings now that Ted is dead anymore than I have for
the also-deceased John, Robert, Joe., etc.

Where the hell does that analogy come into play??

See above.

Really, if you are suggesting that he masked his foibles from the public,
that doesn't wash.

OK by me...I wasn't even hinting at that...and while I didn't mean that in my
earlier response to your question, I will say that a lot of his "foibles" were
hidden from "the public" in general. I'm not claiming to have some "secret"
knowledge, but I can tell you that a lot of his ****-ups weren't widely
reported.

TC,
R

Probably very few people in the history of the planet
have been scrutinized, for longer, than the Kennedy clan. If someone out
there didn't know of Ted's moral shortcomings, they have been in a cave or
something. So, what exactly makes the late Senator a 'pussy', hiding his
true self or purpose? I don't get it.
Now, that said, I never quite understood the Kennedy Worship that one sees
in eastern Massachusetts. It's sort of creepy, and the whole dynasty concept
gives me the willies. MA residents: is it a given that another Sen.Kennedy
will succeed the late Teddy?
Tom

In message 2009082718220916807-dplacourse@aolcom, David LaCourse
writes
On 2009-08-27 17:53:27 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said:

MA residents: is it a given that another Sen.Kennedy
will succeed the late Teddy?

Probably. The Kenndy name wins in for Massholes. There was a guy in
Lowell who could not get elected, couldn't even win in the primaries.
He legally changed his name to Kennedy and won a local election -
nothing big, mind you, but the name won him a seat in some small school
committee or council.

With all the warts Ted had - Chappiquidick, the Florida trial of his
nephew where it came out that he took them out drinking, knowing that
they had prolems with the sauce, his drunken binge with Dodd in a DC
restaurant, his cheating in college, his driving record, his trouble
with alchohol, his fat homely face with all the gin blosooms - he still
got elected and served his people well. I certainly won't miss him
like I did his brothers, and anyone replacing him in the Senate will
only be a pretender to the Kennedy Thrown.

Now, one must admit that if poor Teddy was a Republican his **** would
really, REALLY, stink. But because he is a liberal Dem, even his farts
are odorless.

Dave



Apart from the /really/ high profile Kennedy's I can only think of
Chappiquidick when it comes to Ted !
--
Bill Grey