Need help finding an underwater Baetis fly

On Aug 11, 7:52*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-11 20:47:29 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 11, 7:44*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Todd wrote:
Hi All,

One of my pet project for about a year now is to
find a fly (I do not tie my own) that imitates an
underwater ovipositing Baetis spinner. I have come
up dry. ...

You've been trying, for about a year now, to find
something which is easily found by typing the words
"baetis spinner" into a Google search ?

Hilarious.

--
Ken Fortenberry

You see, boys and girls? *There is no need whatsoever for
discussion......about anything....anywhere or any time.

Especially if it involves one trick ponies.

d;o)- Hide quoted text -

Indeed.

g.

On 2010-08-11 21:05:58 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 11, 7:52*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-11 20:47:29 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 11, 7:44*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Todd wrote:
Hi All,

One of my pet project for about a year now is to
find a fly (I do not tie my own) that imitates an
underwater ovipositing Baetis spinner. I have come
up dry. ...

You've been trying, for about a year now, to find
something which is easily found by typing the words
"baetis spinner" into a Google search ?

Hilarious.

--
Ken Fortenberry

You see, boys and girls? *There is no need whatsoever for
discussion......about anything....anywhere or any time.

Especially if it involves one trick ponies.

d;o)- Hide quoted text -

Indeed.

g.

Ride, pony, ride.

The abstraction is to present this fly beneath the blur the way a absolute ovipositing Baetis looks afterwards it "falls upward" if they eventually apart their footing. And, if they hit the film, to cast on their sides.

"Todd" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

One of my pet project for about a year now is to
find a fly (I do not tie my own) that imitates an
underwater ovipositing Baetis spinner. I have come
up dry.


well, 47 posts later, here are my feeble thoughts:
First, photo aside, most submerged baetis will be pretty disheveled once
they go below the surface.
Second, although far from a perfect imitation, I've always done well with a
small(say, size 18) Olive brown Submerger wet, tied as follows:

Hook--2xl #18,20 nymph hook
Thread--Danville Olive/Brown 6/0
Tails--3 strands mallard flank, about 1 1/2 times shank
length
Body--loop dubbed mix of squirrel fur and sparkle yarn,
a brownish olive shade, ribbed with very fine
silver wire. Body to about 2 eye widths behind
eye of hook.
Hackle--two turns grey partridge.

I've watched native browns in small streams, with gin clear water, come up
to these fished deep and simply inhale them without stopping their swimming
motion. See how they work for you and get back to us.

Tom

On 08/12/2010 04:21 PM, Tom Littleton wrote:
wrote in message
...
Hi All,

One of my pet project for about a year now is to
find a fly (I do not tie my own) that imitates an
underwater ovipositing Baetis spinner. I have come
up dry.


well, 47 posts later, here are my feeble thoughts:
First, photo aside, most submerged baetis will be pretty disheveled once
they go below the surface.
Second, although far from a perfect imitation, I've always done well with a
small(say, size 18) Olive brown Submerger wet, tied as follows:

Hook--2xl #18,20 nymph hook
Thread--Danville Olive/Brown 6/0
Tails--3 strands mallard flank, about 1 1/2 times shank
length
Body--loop dubbed mix of squirrel fur and sparkle yarn,
a brownish olive shade, ribbed with very fine
silver wire. Body to about 2 eye widths behind
eye of hook.
Hackle--two turns grey partridge.

I've watched native browns in small streams, with gin clear water, come up
to these fished deep and simply inhale them without stopping their swimming
motion. See how they work for you and get back to us.

Tom


Thank you! I will have to find one in a store. May not get to
go fishing for a few weeks though. :'( Hmmm. Maybe I could get
the flyshop to tie some for me. I will definitely ramble on
about my experience.

-T

On Aug 12, 6:30*pm, Todd wrote:
On 08/12/2010 04:21 PM, Tom Littleton wrote:



*wrote in message
...
Hi All,

One of my pet project for about a year now is to
find a fly (I do not tie my own) that imitates an
underwater ovipositing Baetis spinner. *I have come
up dry.

well, 47 posts later, here are my feeble thoughts:
First, photo aside, most submerged baetis will be pretty disheveled once
they go below the surface.
Second, although far from a perfect imitation, I've always done well with a
small(say, size 18) Olive brown Submerger wet, tied as follows:

Hook--2xl #18,20 nymph hook
Thread--Danville Olive/Brown 6/0
Tails--3 strands mallard flank, about 1 1/2 times shank
* * * * * *length
Body--loop dubbed mix of squirrel fur and sparkle yarn,
* * * * * *a brownish olive shade, ribbed with very fine
* * * * * *silver wire. Body to about 2 eye widths behind
* * * * * *eye of hook.
Hackle--two turns grey partridge.

I've watched native browns in small streams, with gin clear water, come up
to these fished deep and simply inhale them without stopping their swimming
motion. See how they work for you and get back to us.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Thank you! *I will have to find one in a store. *May not get to
go fishing for a few weeks though. *:'( * *Hmmm. *Maybe I could get
the flyshop to tie some for me.

Why not tie your own?

I will definitely ramble on
about my experience.

We never doubted it.

-T

g.
who stills sometimes wonders why water is always (if it is clear at
all) "gin" clear. i mean, what's wrong with "tequilla" clear? yeah,
tequilla generally has some color to it.....but that isn't germaine to
the matter of clarity. doesn't ANYBODY remember chem 101....."clear
AND* colorless"?

*emphasis added.

On 08/12/2010 06:07 PM, Giles wrote:

Thank you! I will have to find one in a store. May not get to
go fishing for a few weeks though. :'( Hmmm. Maybe I could get
the flyshop to tie some for me.

Why not tie your own?

If I get two hours on the river a month, I am doing
really well. It is probably what keeps me from dying
from stress. I just do not have the time. It sucks.

You will fid this interesting (Ralph Cutter again):
http://www.flyline.com/tips_trivia/golden_trout_2/

As trout leave the lakes to spawn in tributary
streams they are suckers for roe flies. Orange
3mm pom-poms (available at craft stores) speared
on a #14 hook and held in place with a few turns
of thread are irresistible.

I am probably up to that. :-)


-T

Why is it my stalker can call me a "nitwit" and you
refuse? It does not mean anything if it does not
come from you. Maybe if I think up something really,
really stupid. Aw man. My brain hurts. I just can't
do it. Oh hell. Maybe next time.

On Aug 12, 9:37*pm, Todd wrote:
On 08/12/2010 06:07 PM, Giles wrote:

Thank you! *I will have to find one in a store. *May not get to
go fishing for a few weeks though. *:'( * *Hmmm. *Maybe I could get
the flyshop to tie some for me.

Why not tie your own?

If I get two hours on the river a month, I am doing
really well. *It is probably what keeps me from dying
from stress. *I just do not have the time. *It sucks.

Well, how about tying them at home? I mean, hell, it's a lot closer
to home, right? Saves time, right?

You will fid this interesting

I doubt it.....but go on.

(Ralph Cutter again):http://www.flyline.com/tips_trivia/golden_trout_2/

* * * As trout leave the lakes to spawn in tributary
* * * streams they are suckers for roe flies. Orange
* * * 3mm pom-poms (available at craft stores) speared
* * * on a #14 hook and held in place with a few turns
* * * of thread are irresistible.

Rank stupidity.

Nothing in this world is irresitible to fish......that's why fishing
remains interesting. And that's why you aren't a fish.

I am probably up to that. *:-)

More or less.....or not.....I suppose.

-T

Why is it my stalker can call me a "nitwit" and you
refuse?

I thought we had already covered that. You are, once again, starting
to get boring. Do yourself a favor.....when your schtick gets
tedious......even to yourself......do something different.

It does not mean anything if it does not
come from you.

NOTHING means anything unless it comes from me.....get used to it.

Maybe if I think up something really,
really stupid.

One is tempted to advise not taxing yourself, but.....

Aw man. *My brain hurts. *I just can't
do it.

Yes you can. Trust me.

Oh hell. *Maybe next time.

This time.....next time.....every time.

g.

"Todd" wrote in message
...
Thank you! I will have to find one in a store.

Unless the 'store' is Penn's Creek Angler, or AA Fly Shop in White Haven,
PA, you probably would be out of luck. I gave you the recipe so that you can
tie up your own. Possibly, the best way to get to understand the
relationship between imitation and real bugs.
Tom

Tom Littleton wrote:
"Todd" wrote:
Thank you! I will have to find one in a store.

Unless the 'store' is Penn's Creek Angler, or AA Fly Shop in White Haven,
PA, you probably would be out of luck. I gave you the recipe so that you can
tie up your own. Possibly, the best way to get to understand the
relationship between imitation and real bugs.

What a bunch of codswallop. Everybody knows the best way to
understand the relationship between imitation and real bugs
is to read and study journal articles.

I don't know why you guys want to pick on the poor newbie. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry