What the hell

On Nov 18, 11:49*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-11-18 11:49:58 -0500, "Wayne Harrison" said:



"D. LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010111715184975249-davplac@aolcom...
has happened to our Constitution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQTOqXC0qYs

not to be contentious, but the answer has been clear for decades: *the
anti-individual rights justices appointed by the g.o.p. has hauled it
away, provision after provision, in mr. peabody's coal trains.

yfitons
wayno

You're being contentious, counselor. *d;o)

yfing
Dave

Moron.

g.

On 11/18/2010 11:49 AM, Wayne Harrison wrote:
"D. wrote in message
news:2010111715184975249-davplac@aolcom...
whathas happened to our Constitution?



not to be contentious, but the answer has been clear for decades: the
anti-individual rights justices appointed by the g.o.p. have hauled it
away, provision after provision, in mr. peabody's coal trains.

yfitons
wayno



ooh...that bit of pointed truth is gonna leave another scar on the
chief's back. g

as always, constitutionally yours,

jeff

On 2010-11-19 08:41:22 -0500, jeff said:

On 11/18/2010 11:49 AM, Wayne Harrison wrote:
"D. wrote in message
news:2010111715184975249-davplac@aolcom...
whathas happened to our Constitution?



not to be contentious, but the answer has been clear for decades: the
anti-individual rights justices appointed by the g.o.p. have hauled it
away, provision after provision, in mr. peabody's coal trains.

yfitons
wayno



ooh...that bit of pointed truth is gonna leave another scar on the
chief's back. g

as always, constitutionally yours,

jeff

There is no more room for scars on my back, counselor #2. d;o)

On 11/19/2010 9:47 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-11-19 08:41:22 -0500, jeff said:

On 11/18/2010 11:49 AM, Wayne Harrison wrote:
"D. wrote in message
news:2010111715184975249-davplac@aolcom...
whathas happened to our Constitution?



not to be contentious, but the answer has been clear for decades: the
anti-individual rights justices appointed by the g.o.p. have hauled it
away, provision after provision, in mr. peabody's coal trains.

yfitons
wayno



ooh...that bit of pointed truth is gonna leave another scar on the
chief's back. g

as always, constitutionally yours,

jeff

There is no more room for scars on my back, counselor #2. d;o)



were you in jawja in time to see the leaf colors this year? the fall
colors down here in the coastal plains have just now
peaked...magnificent. best i've seen in years...but also later in the
season. the mountain colors must have been incredible...

still trying to figure out a building scheme for our lot/land in graham
county. right now, all we want is a one-bedroom, 1000 square foot,
well-constructed and designed building. simple, easy, for geezer
living. it would have been nice to be up there. my favorite mountain
range for year-round living and enjoyment. plus, you've some geezer
streams to show me. g

On 2010-11-20 09:40:12 -0500, jeff said:


were you in jawja in time to see the leaf colors this year? the fall
colors down here in the coastal plains have just now
peaked...magnificent. best i've seen in years...but also later in the
season. the mountain colors must have been incredible...

The colors were very nice. Not as nice as New England, but still very
nice. They didn't turn at near the same as in NE. The dogwoods were
first to peak with their deep reds, then the sour gums in bright reds.
Maples next with beautiful yellows, oranges and reds, then the oaks.
White oaks in a beautiful burgandy red, while the other oaks are their
normal brown. The view from our sunroom was breathtaking. My youngest
daughter and her family visited last week-end and the oooohs and aaaahs
were aplenty. When the deer showed up, including the 6 point buck, the
kids were amazed. They had never been so close to deer before, never
mind feeding them apples and corn.

still trying to figure out a building scheme for our lot/land in graham
county. right now, all we want is a one-bedroom, 1000 square foot,
well-constructed and designed building. simple, easy, for geezer
living. it would have been nice to be up there. my favorite mountain
range for year-round living and enjoyment. plus, you've some geezer
streams to show me. g

ONE bedroom? Where the hell are we supposed to sleep? d;o)

If it's anything like your little place near Boone, I am sure it will
be very comfy, and anyplace Rachel is at will be warm.

I have a few geezer streams we can visit. Some good, some not so good,
but it's fishin'. Not as good as what you would have in Gra-ham County.

Will be in Mass tomorrow and in the hospital Dec 8 for hip replacement.
Next summer I'll have the right one done, then I won't need old geezer
streams. d;o)

Dave

On Nov 20, 8:40*am, jeff wrote:

still trying to figure out a building scheme for our lot/land in graham
county. *right now, all we want is a one-bedroom, 1000 square foot,
well-constructed and designed building. *simple, easy, for geezer
living.

O.k., I KNOW what you're going to think about this idea.......but you
should just go ahead and build it yourself.

Seriously. It's been done by lamer asses than yours.

Leave the serious foundation work to professionals.....unless you plan
to build the whole thing on stilts (for whatever reason), this you
really can do yourself. Also, building codes in most of America these
days require that licensed professional plumbers and electricians at
least sign off on their respective areas of exptertise, but most of
the work can be done by the home handyman. Yeah, I know, you are the
prototypical "un"handyman.....but there are many excellent books and
online references available these days, not to mention an awesome
array of individuals willing to help at least so far as to give free
advice.....some of which, to be sure, is worth what you pay for
it.....but you'll be amazed at how fast you learn to smell bad
smells.. And the great thing about building your own is that it is
inherently a slow process.....plenty of time to learn as you go. The
cardinal rule is research, research, research; then set a realisitic
time frame (well within the lifespan of the typical do-it-yourself
newby), then double that (still eminently doable), and then go on the
shopping spree of a lifetime at the local equivalent of The Home
Depot, Lowes, or what have you.

Wolfgang
shopping details offered free of charge on request.

"Giles" wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 8:40 am, jeff wrote:

still trying to figure out a building scheme for our lot/land in graham
county. right now, all we want is a one-bedroom, 1000 square foot,
well-constructed and designed building. simple, easy, for geezer
living.

O.k., I KNOW what you're going to think about this idea.......but you
should just go ahead and build it yourself.

sweet baby jesus. the thought of jeffie with a hammer and real (sharply
pointed, metal) nails in his hands at the same time is enough to support a
full-tilt level one homeland security alert...

the realization of such a possibility would keep me east of the catawba
river for the foreseeable future.

yfitons
wayno

On Nov 22, 1:34*pm, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message

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On Nov 20, 8:40 am, jeff wrote:

still trying to figure out a building scheme for our lot/land in graham
county. right now, all we want is a one-bedroom, 1000 square foot,
well-constructed and designed building. simple, easy, for geezer
living.

O.k., I KNOW what you're going to think about this idea.......but you
should just go ahead and build it yourself.

sweet baby jesus. *the thought of jeffie with a hammer and real (sharply
pointed, metal) nails in his hands at the same time is enough to support a
full-tilt level one homeland security alert...

the realization of such a possibility would keep me east of the catawba
river for the foreseeable future.

yfitons
wayno

Not an unwarranted reaction, counselor. And one is pleased and
relieved to see that the handwriting on the wall is not necessarily
and always mistaken for the random scrawlings of some deranged
gasoline huffing teenaged delinquent graffitist.

Nevertheless, having spent some time in the company of the accused
offender, I can attest that he can be taught (if he does not already
know) which end of a rifle to hold against his shoulder prior to
discharging the weapon (assuming no self-inflicted wound is
desired).....and what is a nail but a projectile weapon writ small,
ainna?

Besides, as aforementioned, there are numerous and often enough
exquisite texts available to guide the neophyte through the
labarynthine nuances of home construction, and one assumes that even
in the great state of Nawth Cackalacky the local bar association
grants basic literacy to be one of the sterling characteristics
posessed (in spades, if you will) by all of its members.....of which
the defendant is (at least as far as we have been led to believe or
could determine on our own hook) but an upstanding (if not necessarily
outstanding.....we have no professional opinion justifiable to
erstwhile critics.....) member.

Hence, while no endeavor known to (or invented by) man (or woman, for
that matter) is inherently, inevitably, and incontestibly inmmune to
some level of risk (however minimal or dismissible, by whatever
bull**** standard one cares to apply), we remain steadfast in our
belief that the chum.......er.....pats.....um.....student.....in
question is entirely capable of learning to do it his own self (or at
least getting a good start on the job) prior to an unexpected, however
predicted by professional skeptics, demise.

giles
oh, SURE, we COULD be wrong.......but who among us can say otherwise
without pants on fire?

On 11/22/2010 7:33 PM, Giles wrote:
On Nov 22, 1:34 pm, "Wayne wrote:
wrote in message

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On Nov 20, 8:40 am, wrote:

still trying to figure out a building scheme for our lot/land in graham
county. right now, all we want is a one-bedroom, 1000 square foot,
well-constructed and designed building. simple, easy, for geezer
living.

O.k., I KNOW what you're going to think about this idea.......but you
should just go ahead and build it yourself.

sweet baby jesus. the thought of jeffie with a hammer and real (sharply
pointed, metal) nails in his hands at the same time is enough to support a
full-tilt level one homeland security alert...

the realization of such a possibility would keep me east of the catawba
river for the foreseeable future.

yfitons
wayno

Not an unwarranted reaction, counselor. And one is pleased and
relieved to see that the handwriting on the wall is not necessarily
and always mistaken for the random scrawlings of some deranged
gasoline huffing teenaged delinquent graffitist.

Nevertheless, having spent some time in the company of the accused
offender, I can attest that he can be taught (if he does not already
know) which end of a rifle to hold against his shoulder prior to
discharging the weapon (assuming no self-inflicted wound is
desired).....and what is a nail but a projectile weapon writ small,
ainna?

Besides, as aforementioned, there are numerous and often enough
exquisite texts available to guide the neophyte through the
labarynthine nuances of home construction, and one assumes that even
in the great state of Nawth Cackalacky the local bar association
grants basic literacy to be one of the sterling characteristics
posessed (in spades, if you will) by all of its members.....of which
the defendant is (at least as far as we have been led to believe or
could determine on our own hook) but an upstanding (if not necessarily
outstanding.....we have no professional opinion justifiable to
erstwhile critics.....) member.

Hence, while no endeavor known to (or invented by) man (or woman, for
that matter) is inherently, inevitably, and incontestibly inmmune to
some level of risk (however minimal or dismissible, by whatever
bull**** standard one cares to apply), we remain steadfast in our
belief that the chum.......er.....pats.....um.....student.....in
question is entirely capable of learning to do it his own self (or at
least getting a good start on the job) prior to an unexpected, however
predicted by professional skeptics, demise.

giles
oh, SURE, we COULD be wrong.......but who among us can say otherwise
without pants on fire?

actually, i've been considering some type of participatory venture with
more experienced (quite a large collection of folks at this moment)
craftsmen. problem has been mainly, or completely, geographical
distance, excessive cost estimates given by the "locals", and my own sloth.

despite economy and financial uncertainty, including my own, it's past
time to do something. i figure i'll begin slow on snowbird with the
1-bedroom, leaving the acres at england branch for my second effort, and
having the first go on the snowbird lot. have to build something with a
bit of architectural interest, just for my own aesthetic, but, as i said
earlier, small. i've got the susanka small house ideal in mind...get
the snowbird lot cleared for a 30 or 40 x 40 foundation, get septic tank
and well permitted and installed, find a good foundation guy, build
foundation - cement block. that's 2011. whew, i'm tired already.
that'll give me a year to practice with those pointy things and hammers
before starting the frame. raise high the roofbeams, it's a perfect day
for bananafish!!

and when construction begins, safety and proper building will require
wayno to remain east of the catawba. i'll give due notice.

jeff

On Nov 23, 4:59*pm, jeff wrote:

actually, i've been considering some type of participatory venture with
more experienced (quite a large collection of folks at this moment)
craftsmen. problem has been mainly, or completely, geographical
distance, excessive cost estimates given by the "locals", and my own sloth.

Sloth is easy enough to maintain under any circumstances, at least by
those of us with decades of practice. Recollecting the distances
involved in your case, I'd be inclined to remain reclined.

despite economy and financial uncertainty, including my own, it's past
time to do something. i figure i'll begin slow on snowbird with the
1-bedroom, leaving the acres at england branch for my second effort, and
having the first go on the snowbird lot. *have to build something with a
bit of architectural interest, just for my own aesthetic, but, as i said
earlier, small. *i've got the susanka small house ideal in mind...get
the snowbird lot cleared for a 30 or 40 x 40 foundation, get septic tank
and well permitted and installed, find a good foundation guy, build
foundation - cement block.

Was unfamiliar with "susanka." Googled. Interesting ideas. I was
particularly struck by: "Not So Big doesn't mean small. It means not
as big as you thought you needed. But as a rule of thumb, a Not So Big
House is approximately a third smaller than your original goal but
about the same price as your original budget." Not exactly the sort
of language I'd use to convey the idea of a good deal. Generally,
smaller should be cheaper, no? Even

that's 2011. whew, i'm tired already.

It'll get easier with experience. There will be all sorts of
aggravations, to be sure, but eventually you'll be working with a
broader and more refined knowledge base. Makes a world of
difference. Meanwhile, thus far, you've got somebody else doing the
heavy work.

that'll give me a year to practice with those pointy things and hammers
before starting the frame. raise high the roofbeams, it's a perfect day
for bananafish!!

Exactly! However, as fine, necessary and useful a tool as a hammer
is, I'd recommend getting electricity in as soon as possible (or
investing in a gasoline run generator), and purchasing a good sized
compressor and a couple of pneumatic nail guns. HUGE time and labor
saver. But be SURE to get some expert guidance and lots of practice
with the nailers BEFORE starting on the house; dangling from a rafter
is a truly bad way to begin the learning process.

and when construction begins, safety and proper building will require
wayno to remain east of the catawba. i'll give due notice.

One suspects that compliance will not be terribly difficult to
enforce.

giles