OT Follow the money

Punched in my old zip back in NYC and found a Joseph A Ferrara and a
Joseph J Ferrara both listed at the same adress, both contributing $2000
to Bush - one is a self-employed attorney and the other is the owner of
a consulting firm.

Mu

"Tim J." wrote in message
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"snakefiddler" wrote...

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
This is kinda cool

http://www.fundrace.org/neighbors.php

I plugged in my zip code, 61801, and found that all my neighbors
but one here in Urbana who sent money to a political campaign
sent their money to the good guys. Most of them to Howard Dean.


it appears that a lot of the folks contributing in my area are self
employed. this is a great way to determine who's business to support
and
who NOT to give your money to- if you care what they do with it.

I think it would be rather shallow to not do business with someone because
of
their political beliefs and support of a legitimate political party. But
that's
just me.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



bull****. why should i give my money to someone who is going to turn around
and use it to support a candidate or organization that i do not support or
worse detest.
i know it is next to impossible to know where every business i patronize
puts their money, but at least when i do know, i can make an informed
decision.

-snakefiddler
that's my story, and i'm stickin to it!

"snakefiddler" wrote in message
...

bull****. why should i give my money to someone who is going to turn
around
and use it to support a candidate or organization that i do not support or
worse detest.
i know it is next to impossible to know where every business i patronize
puts their money, but at least when i do know, i can make an informed
decision.

-snakefiddler
that's my story, and i'm stickin to it!

By your reasoning above, if I was your employer and found out that you
were giving money to a candidate that I do not support or worse detest, I
should deny you any raises or even fire you.
In "at will" states I would have that option (though I'd probably have to
give another reason). It may be legal, but is it "right"?


--
Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

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I hope you find plenty of Coors beer and Walmarts over there. Everybody
votes for and with their pocketbook. Some people donate large amounts in
order to get what they want. I spend mine to keep them form getting what I
don't want. Lots of the $ 2,000 donars want to see the snowmobiles in
Yellowstone, clearcuts, cynide leach mines etc. They can do it without my
help. I just canceled a LL Bean credit card because it's issued by MBNA who
gave Shrub $200,000.
TMSAISTO
"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
...

"snakefiddler" wrote in message
...

bull****. why should i give my money to someone who is going to turn
around
and use it to support a candidate or organization that i do not support
or
worse detest.
i know it is next to impossible to know where every business i patronize
puts their money, but at least when i do know, i can make an informed
decision.

-snakefiddler
that's my story, and i'm stickin to it!

By your reasoning above, if I was your employer and found out that you
were giving money to a candidate that I do not support or worse detest, I
should deny you any raises or even fire you.
In "at will" states I would have that option (though I'd probably have to
give another reason). It may be legal, but is it "right"?


--
Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

place a dot between bobs and stuff and remove invalid to send email

"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
...

"snakefiddler" wrote in message
...

bull****. why should i give my money to someone who is going to turn
around
and use it to support a candidate or organization that i do not support
or
worse detest.
i know it is next to impossible to know where every business i patronize
puts their money, but at least when i do know, i can make an informed
decision.

-snakefiddler
that's my story, and i'm stickin to it!

By your reasoning above, if I was your employer and found out that you
were giving money to a candidate that I do not support or worse detest, I
should deny you any raises or even fire you.
In "at will" states I would have that option (though I'd probably have to
give another reason). It may be legal, but is it "right"?


--
Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

Hm.....so, if you find out that one of your local shopkeepers contributes
regularly to the White Aryan Resistance, do you make a point of patronizing
his or her establishment in order to protect all of our rights?

Wolfgang
and lest anyone should protest the use of a violent extremist group for
illustrative purposes, i'd bet a shiny new nickel that he or she was not
vacationing in or near baghdad a year ago today.

B J Conner wrote...
I hope you find plenty of Coors beer and Walmarts over there. Everybody
votes for and with their pocketbook. Some people donate large amounts in
order to get what they want. I spend mine to keep them form getting what I
don't want. Lots of the $ 2,000 donars want to see the snowmobiles in
Yellowstone, clearcuts, cynide leach mines etc. They can do it without my
help. I just canceled a LL Bean credit card because it's issued by MBNA who
gave Shrub $200,000.

You don't spend much, do you? I mean Bush has raised over $100 million
more than Kerry from not only the SAME contributors, but others as well.
Yeah, that's right. Many of Kerry's contributors gave MORE money to
BUSH and Bush collected from MORE contributors as well. I realize that
you are too stupid to realize that, but pointing it out never hurts.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)
For Conclave Info:
http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html

Wolfgang wrote:

"Bob Weinberger" wrote

By your reasoning above, if I was your employer and found out that you
were giving money to a candidate that I do not support or worse detest, I
should deny you any raises or even fire you.
In "at will" states I would have that option (though I'd probably have to
give another reason). It may be legal, but is it "right"?

Hm.....so, if you find out that one of your local shopkeepers contributes
regularly to the White Aryan Resistance, do you make a point of patronizing
his or her establishment in order to protect all of our rights?

So let's list everyone's contributions to all organizations on the
internet. Wouldn't want to be doing business with no closet
environmentalists, or alternatively, no NRA gun nuts neither.

Maybe their bank and credit card statements, their tax returns. Weed
out them serial divorcees and them improvident heathens living beyond
their means.

Let's put their library and video rental records on there, as well.
That's how you unmask your real pervert, you know.

How else to satisfy our right to find out just what these *******s all
around us might REALLY be up to?

On the other hand, we *could* perhaps restrict access to this
information to law enforcement agencies actually charged with looking
into campaign finance and tax law compliance, or into people and
organizations reasonably suspected of criminal actives (like WAR).

'Course, then the rest of us would have to be content with minding
our own business.

JR

Wolfgang wrote:

"Bob Weinberger" wrote

By your reasoning above, if I was your employer and found out that you
were giving money to a candidate that I do not support or worse detest, I
should deny you any raises or even fire you.
In "at will" states I would have that option (though I'd probably have to
give another reason). It may be legal, but is it "right"?

Hm.....so, if you find out that one of your local shopkeepers contributes
regularly to the White Aryan Resistance, do you make a point of patronizing
his or her establishment in order to protect all of our rights?

So let's list everyone's contributions to all organizations on the
internet. Wouldn't want to be doing business with no closet
environmentalists, or alternatively, no NRA gun nuts neither.

Maybe their bank and credit card statements, their tax returns. Weed
out them serial divorcees and them improvident heathens living beyond
their means.

Let's put their library and video rental records on there, as well.
That's how you unmask your real pervert, you know.

How else to satisfy our right to find out just what these *******s all
around us might REALLY be up to?

On the other hand, we *could* perhaps restrict access to this
information to law enforcement agencies actually charged with looking
into campaign finance and tax law compliance, or into people and
organizations reasonably suspected of criminal activities (like WAR).

'Course, then the rest of us would have to be content with minding
our own business.

JR

"B J Conner" wrote in message
...
I hope you find plenty of Coors beer and Walmarts over there. Everybody
votes for and with their pocketbook. Some people donate large amounts in
order to get what they want. I spend mine to keep them form getting what
I
don't want. Lots of the $ 2,000 donars want to see the snowmobiles in
Yellowstone, clearcuts, cynide leach mines etc. They can do it without
my
help. I just canceled a LL Bean credit card because it's issued by MBNA
who
gave Shrub $200,000.
TMSAISTO
"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
...

"snakefiddler" wrote in message
...

bull****. why should i give my money to someone who is going to turn
around
and use it to support a candidate or organization that i do not
support
or
worse detest.
i know it is next to impossible to know where every business i
patronize
puts their money, but at least when i do know, i can make an informed
decision.

-snakefiddler
that's my story, and i'm stickin to it!

By your reasoning above, if I was your employer and found out that you
were giving money to a candidate that I do not support or worse detest,
I
should deny you any raises or even fire you.
In "at will" states I would have that option (though I'd probably have
to
give another reason). It may be legal, but is it "right"?


--
Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

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very cool- that's what i'm talkin about...
let your money speak for you....
snake

"JR" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:

"Bob Weinberger" wrote

By your reasoning above, if I was your employer and found out that
you
were giving money to a candidate that I do not support or worse
detest, I
should deny you any raises or even fire you.
In "at will" states I would have that option (though I'd probably have
to
give another reason). It may be legal, but is it "right"?

Hm.....so, if you find out that one of your local shopkeepers
contributes
regularly to the White Aryan Resistance, do you make a point of
patronizing
his or her establishment in order to protect all of our rights?

So let's list everyone's contributions to all organizations on the
internet. Wouldn't want to be doing business with no closet
environmentalists, or alternatively, no NRA gun nuts neither.

O.k. I contribute sporadically to the United Way, various blood banks, The
Salvation Army, Goodwill Industries, Disabled American Veterans, the
campaign checkoff thingy on my income tax forms, The Society of Saint
Vincent DePaul, various libraries, food pantries, and school fund drives. I
have, at one time or another, also contributed to the American Red Cross,
the Boy Scouts of America, The Girl Scouts of America, various churches,
winos and other indigents, numerous small children and, presumably, a host
of other individuals and causes forever lost to memory. I have never, to
the best of my recollection, made a direct contribution to any political
party (other than dues when I was a member of the Young Democrats back in
the sixties), political action committees, environmental organizations, hate
groups (by whatever euphemistic label they might wish to call themselves),
lobbying organizations, the NRA, the NAACP, the NCAA, the ASCPA, the NCLU,
AARP, the NBA, ABC, NBC, CBS, or TVA.

You?

Maybe their bank and credit card statements, their tax returns. Weed
out them serial divorcees and them improvident heathens living beyond
their means.

Let's put their library and video rental records on there, as well.
That's how you unmask your real pervert, you know.

How else to satisfy our right to find out just what these *******s all
around us might REALLY be up to?

Well, this IS fun but, before we continue, I was just wondering; do you have
ANY idead what Bob's point was.......or mine?

Anyway, modern urban life being what it is, I don't know most of what could
reasonbly be called my neighbors.....say, those living within a block or so.
However, until any of them displays through some sort of concrete example
that they harbor any ill will against me, I can think of no good reason to
suppose that it is so......and I have not yet seen such an example. If any
of them is interested enough to ask about my financial status or my tastes
in reading I might suggest that they need a hobby but I've got no reason to
withhold the information. If you like, I'll send you copies of my monthly
bank statements, income tax records, receipts for books (I prefer to buy
books rather than borrowing from the local library), and whatever else you
might find of interest.

On the other hand, we *could* perhaps restrict access to this
information to law enforcement agencies actually charged with looking
into campaign finance and tax law compliance, or into people and
organizations reasonably suspected of criminal activities (like WAR).

Well, see, there's the problem. As I stated above, none of my neighbors
have ever shown evidence of a desire to use sensitive personal information
against me or anyone else that I am aware of. The proper authorities, on
the other hand.......well, I think that if you and I were to leave our
neighbors alone, it would allow us sufficient time (if barely) to make a
full time career of cataloguing THEIR abuses.

'Course, then the rest of us would have to be content with minding
our own business.

Like answering questions directed to someone else, eh?

Wolfgang