Yesterday Afternoon

Wolfgang wrote:
It never did me any earthly good whatsoever beyond
boring companions nearly to death with a never ending string of what
they doubtless considered pretentious gibberish.......reason enough,
in my book.

ah... comforting to know some things never change. bseg

jeff (still ciphering on october dates for the smokies)

Willi wrote:



These stories you guys tell of PJ from time to time ARE entertaining. I
especially like how you're able to portray him as such an endearing fellow!



think "skinner box" and you'll understand...

jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
It never did me any earthly good whatsoever beyond
boring companions nearly to death with a never ending string of
what
they doubtless considered pretentious gibberish.......reason
enough,
in my book.

ah... comforting to know some things never change. bseg

Everybody needs a niche.

jeff (still ciphering on october dates for the smokies)

Becky is off from the 9th through the 31th. It would be nice if we
can keep it between those dates.

Wolfgang

Back to your question. Since this class of bugs is so important on my
home river, I fish it alot and use a variety of flies. How I fish it
depends on what part of the hatch the fish are concentrating on. When
there are bugs out but no surface activity, a dead drifted PT usually
works. They seem less fussy in terms of fly type, and to some degree
size, at this stage partly because they're often feeding in faster
water. If they're up in the water column or making splashy rises (this
is generally in areas of less current) a wet hackle or an RS2 emerger
type pattern works well. I generally fish them on a dropper under a dry
generally dead drifted but sometime the fish will key in on a swing.
However, a skittering fly generally doesn't work. When they feeding on
top, sometimes they key in on emergers in the film and sometimes on the
duns. You can usually see if they're taking duns by following some duns
on the surface and see if they're taken or ignored. Unless there's wind
pushing them around, they usually want a totally dead drifted fly. The
three types of flies I fish on top are CDC comparaduns, parachutes and
standard hackled dries.

Willi


Thanx for the useful info I ll be using it on the Missouri any day. I
ve always been a little confused as to why they wont take a nicely
drifted fly but will then hit it as Ilet it drag looking for the next
place to cast too MT

rw wrote:

Russell wrote:


Doesn't it depend on if your talking about green olives or ripe
olives? :-)


Right. The nymphs are totally different from the spinners.

very, very funny!!...esp.to one who despises the mere existence of any
olive of any variety...

jeff

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:32:30 GMT, Jeff wrote:



Willi wrote:



These stories you guys tell of PJ from time to time ARE entertaining. I
especially like how you're able to portray him as such an endearing fellow!



think "skinner box" and you'll understand...

I think it's more like "Stockholm Syndrome"...

Larry L wrote:



If I tell you that the lake 2 miles from here has a Hexagenia limbata hatch
and the bass feed on the nymphs and somewhat on the duns .... does that
prepare a mid-westerner to fish that activity better than "big yellow may"

no... but if you say the bugs look like size 8 yellow humpies (i've
never seen one of those, btw), i'd have a good clue from your words.
wayne knight showed me some hex flies once...they looked like sparrows.


Do you have a pretty damn good idea what nymph and dun patterns would likely
work? What size "big" is? What time of day to be there? What bottom type
the bug prefers and thus can limit your search to those types?

much too complicated for me and my fishing adventures, but i admire your
intellectual spunk...


I agree that to a large extent that the Latin is often the opposite of
valuable, since it DEcreases real communication ( and bores others and makes
one appear snobby ;-) unless both parties have real knowledge linked to
those Latin words.

and, truth be told, it's a very limited...some would claim,
elite...group of folks, eh? might as well require white gloves and
french for fishing discussions... parlez vous francais?

And I agree that a lot of the value lies simply in the
"more esoteric reasons" But, I think they is good practical reason ....
at times, anyway .... to learn more about the bugs and their names,
especially if one wants to communicate with others on the subject.

who are you communicating with? entomologists? i suspect yiddish would
be every bit as effective in such communications with the vast majority
of folks who are passionate about the fishing...


Um, I just flashed on a thought

I can barely walk many days and just had my knee "imaged." When the
radiologist sends his report to the Dr that will suggest "cut or no cut" I'd
FAR prefer that he send that report in the scientific language that he and
the doc both use exactly the same than to say " the guy's got a bum knee"
scientific accuracy in wording, and Latin namimg, has advantages G


do you honestly think that is a true or even helpful analogy with regard
to our specific fishing and flies conversation? c'mon larry... most
fishermen aren't entomologists; however, all orthopedic surgeons
are...well, you see what i mean?

Taxonomy is the first science and the study of most fields starts with
learning the language of that field. In my case, learning more about the
bugs, including latin names, increases my fun and enjoyment.

and, lest i be misunderstood, i accept and believe that is a good and
sufficient and even admirable reason for your or anyone else's mastery
of the latin taxonomy of bugs. however, we were talking effective or
useful communication among a group of fishermen, few of whom are
entomologists.

If that isn't
the case for others than they shouldn't do so

jeff

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:25:38 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:

however, we were talking effective or
useful communication among a group of fishermen, few of whom are
entomologists.

Just open your fly box and have someone point out which fly to use.
--
Charlie...

Wolfgang wrote:



Becky is off from the 9th through the 31th. It would be nice if we
can keep it between those dates.

thirty oneth?? ok... in proper and due deference to becky, let's
tentatively set the time for the 2004 Carolina Anti-Clave Accretion
(CACA) from october 8 - october 17? unless of course, others or becky
have a better suggestion. all flyfishers here or there - anarchists,
contrarians, introverts, the gregarious, drunks, effetes, entomologists,
*******s, eunuchs, satyrs, whores, virgins, whatever - are invited. btw,
oct 12 is my birthday...presents are not optional.

jeff

Wolfgang

"Jeff Miller" wrote...
Larry L wrote:
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And I agree that a lot of the value lies simply in the
"more esoteric reasons" But, I think they is good practical reason ....
at times, anyway .... to learn more about the bugs and their names,
especially if one wants to communicate with others on the subject.

who are you communicating with? entomologists? i suspect yiddish would
be every bit as effective in such communications with the vast majority
of folks who are passionate about the fishing...

I was going to suggest pig-latin.
--
ight-tay ines-lay,
Tim
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