Fly Fishing As The Humane Way To Fish

On Fri, 28 May 2004 16:34:35 +0200, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
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Mike Connor wrote:

SNIP
.)

When you say you "test from there", do you mean you simply take them
astream, or do you have some other way of testing them?

Anyhow, thanks for the detailed description and the followup. I
love the DIY approach to these sorts of things, so it looks like I may
be entering a new aspect of this hobby.


Chuck Vance


You must of course de-temper ( anneal) before retempering, as some steels
will indeed go very brittle otherwise. One should try at least one or two
of the raw hooks from each batch one makes. If you "case harden" wire using
the charcoal or powdered carbon methods, you must be careful not to overdo
it. I usually try a few samples to see how it turns out. This works very
well with some wires, and not too well with others. This of course is
dependent on the amount of carbon in the steel already. Without an extensive
metallurgy lab, there is no way to test this except by trial and error.

Many hookmakers in the past tempered their hooks to purple. Some older
hooks, which tend to be soft, where tempered blue. There were only a few of
the older hookmakers who knew the secret of making good high carbon steel.
This also caused problems. Nowadays this is not a problem.

After you have tested a few hooks, you will simply "know" if they are OK.
Just fix them in a fly-vice and pluck them, ( I do the same test on
manufactured hooks anyway). It is easy to see and hear whether you got it
right. Once you know the temper colour for that particular material (
Stainless steel is different!), then the rest is easy. Harden, and then
temper.

If you want to play about with this, then just buy some cheap hooks,
detemper them, and then re-harden and temper. Quite a few salmon fly
dressers buy cheaper salmon hooks, and re-shape and temper them, in order to
obtain exactly what they want, although the temper here is not critical, as
these hooks are not used for fishing, merely for dressing show flies.

Really, the whole thing is quite easy. After doing a few, you just know how
it goes. The most difficult operations are barbing, and forming the eye
consistently. The rest is really just routine. With a little practice, even
these operations are quite easy.

TL
MC


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g.c.

From: (George=A0Cleveland)

Well my take on this episode is this:
To the vast majority of people who fished the resort's pond the fish
were just another "attraction", something the resort provided for their
benefit and amusement, paid for by the guests own money. So the fish are
removed in their minds as having the status of functioning members of an
ecosystem and instead are demoted to the role of play"things".
Objectivization, pure and simple. Whether fish, women, ecosystems or
entire planets, the fate of all "objects" is to use them until they no
longer amuse us and then toss them away. Your concern for the well being
of the fish would probably be met by a lack of understanding on the part
of many of the guests. Either that or you would be seen as a party
pooper type.
g.c.
Still wondering where we're going to find another planet.

And there were pamphlets in the lobby, "How To Safely Release A Fish"
which I'm sure few people even bothered to read.

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:21:59 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Either that or you
would be seen as a party pooper type.

Speaking of which, it looks like we'll be attending seperate soirees in a
couple of weeks. While I haven't spoken to him lately, I'm sure that
Joel
is still planning to rip some lips in that highly confidential smallmouth
paradise not so very far from you that I've been promising to take you
to.
As he has promised to take a friend (?!) with him, I suspect his plans
are
not amenable to change. For good or ill, I'll be joining
them......um.....just so they don't get lost.

Well, good luck to ya then. Of course one could fish the Secret Spot
(tm) for a day and then zip the mere 150 miles west over to the
Trimbelle campground and toast ones shins by the fire.

Hm.......Joel?

Again, good luck. And listen for the sirens!!!

Tie me to the mast, matey.

Wolfgang

On Wed, 26 May 2004 18:54:04 -0400, (tmon) wrote:

I had the opportunity this past weekend to get away to the White
Mountains of NH for my gf's family reunion. We were staying at a resort
with a small private pond that is loaded with rainbows 12-16'' and
better.

The resort gives away barbless hooks and very few people bothered to
use them. Powerbait was the bait of choice and sadly I saw so many dead
fish along the shore it turned my stomach. Even the adults who were
fishing with kids seemed to have no concern as to whether the fish were
released safely or not.

I'm glad I decided to start fly fishing.

So you think its humane to have a fish get stuck in the mouth with a fly
then dragged all over the place? Would you do that to your dog? Catch
and release is not about being nice to the FISH, sticking them in the
mouth with a sharp hook is not nice Catch and Release is about US,
about not decimating all the fish so WE still have fish to catch.

If I thought fish were evolved enough such that hooking them in the
mouth was the same as hooking a dog in the mouth, I would not fish. But
alas, I do not think that is the case. So I do not turn up my noise to
those that bait fish thinking I am morally superior. I find it odd that
you do.

In article ,
(tmon) wrote:

From: (George*Cleveland)

Well my take on this episode is this:
To the vast majority of people who fished the resort's pond the fish
were just another "attraction", something the resort provided for their
benefit and amusement, paid for by the guests own money. So the fish are
removed in their minds as having the status of functioning members of an
ecosystem and instead are demoted to the role of play"things".
Objectivization, pure and simple. Whether fish, women, ecosystems or
entire planets, the fate of all "objects" is to use them until they no
longer amuse us and then toss them away. Your concern for the well being
of the fish would probably be met by a lack of understanding on the part
of many of the guests. Either that or you would be seen as a party
pooper type.
g.c.
Still wondering where we're going to find another planet.

And there were pamphlets in the lobby, "How To Safely Release A Fish"
which I'm sure few people even bothered to read.


As a follow up to my previous post, if you truely want to be humane, you
need to fish like a writter in flyfisherman. Many many years ago I read
the article, the author dry fly fishes and cuts off the hook. Thus he
never hooks the fish. He just fishes for the excitement of getting fish
to rise to his fly. I kid thy not. (the article was in the 1980's)

On Sat, 29 May 2004 07:16:51 GMT, Steve Sullivan wrote:

In article ,
(tmon) wrote:

From: (George*Cleveland)

Well my take on this episode is this:
To the vast majority of people who fished the resort's pond the fish
were just another "attraction", something the resort provided for their
benefit and amusement, paid for by the guests own money. So the fish are
removed in their minds as having the status of functioning members of an
ecosystem and instead are demoted to the role of play"things".
Objectivization, pure and simple. Whether fish, women, ecosystems or
entire planets, the fate of all "objects" is to use them until they no
longer amuse us and then toss them away. Your concern for the well being
of the fish would probably be met by a lack of understanding on the part
of many of the guests. Either that or you would be seen as a party
pooper type.
g.c.
Still wondering where we're going to find another planet.

And there were pamphlets in the lobby, "How To Safely Release A Fish"
which I'm sure few people even bothered to read.


As a follow up to my previous post, if you truely want to be humane, you
need to fish like a writter in flyfisherman. Many many years ago I read
the article, the author dry fly fishes and cuts off the hook. Thus he
never hooks the fish. He just fishes for the excitement of getting fish
to rise to his fly. I kid thy not. (the article was in the 1980's)

So you think its humane to have a fish expend precious energy to stalk and
attack a hookless phony? Do you really do that to your dog? "No Catch"
is not about being nice to the FISH, teasing them with hookless hooks is not
nice. "No Catch" is about YOU, about not decimating all the fish so YOU still
have fish to taunt.

If I thought fish were evolved enough such that taunting them was the same as
taunting a dog, I would not fish. But alas, I do not think that is the case.
So I do not turn up my noise [sic] to those that bait fish thinking I am
morally superior. I find it odd that you do...

/daytripper (it had to be said ;-)

From: (Steve=A0Sullivan)
=A0=A0=A0=A0
So you think its humane to have a fish get stuck in the mouth with a
fly then dragged all over the place? Would you do that to your dog?
Catch and release is not about being nice to the FISH, sticking them in
the mouth with a sharp hook is not nice Catch and Release is about US,
about not decimating all the fish so WE still have fish to catch.

Ah, but that's where you're wrong. It is not an entirely selfish
exercise. I don't believe in killing fish unless you're taking them
home. And it has nothing to do with me and my future fishing.

If I thought fish were evolved enough such that hooking them in the
mouth was the same as hooking a dog in the mouth, I would not fish. But
alas, I do not think that is the case. So I do not turn up my noise to
those that bait fish thinking I am morally superior. I find it odd that
you do.

I really don't give a **** how a person fishes. "Morally superior",
those are your words, not mine. But why not show even the minimum of
concern for the welfare of the fish?