***** 2 PC. RODS***** Whats your take?

For me, any rod over 5' long has to be a two piece (I have a 9' fly rod thats a
3 piece) I really haven't had much trouble with 2 piece rods, but the best one
piece rod in the world isn't worth a hill of beans if I cant fit it in the car
to take it fishing.

-Zimmy

Okay, I've sat out of this long enough . Besides as those of you who know
me, I just can't help stir the s#$t pot once in a while.

To Who Cares: Why in the world would you come on this forum and pose a
question ,if you were not ready to deal with the honest ,unbaised opinions
that gather here?

And yes Calif. Bill , Opinions are like a%*holes. We all have them , "and"
yes in general they all stink. Doesn't mean you or I ,or even Craig is
wrong.

On the fly, nice reply to Calif. Bill, there Craig ! I remember when your
reply might have been different!

Okay, So now it's on to "my" opinion!
The problem with most segmented rods as Craig pointed out is in the ferrules
, or spigots that hold them together.
Most manufactured rods "there's that word again" are not fitted with tight
enough tolerances. Sorry, but this is where a custom rod will again show
distinct differences . I remember my 1st 2pc Shakespeare spinning rod. It
quickly became a one pc. For the very reasons that Craig stated.

Bill said"Not everyone needs or requires the top of the line rod or boat.
Some have to justify expenditures."

To me that is an attempt at self-justification. Sorry Bill no offense meant!
But as some of you that know me well, know that I don't have a money tree in
the back yard.
Yet I have top of the line equipment. Some of you know how well I
barter...........hehehe!

So, if you want good tools , don't expect to find them at the local Wally
World .with the exception of Al!
Finally if you have a two piece rod that has gotten a bit sloppy. E-mail me
I will gladly tell you how to make those ferrules and spigots snug again.


--
D. Norton
Millennium Rods
"G. M. Zimmermann" wrote in message
...
For me, any rod over 5' long has to be a two piece (I have a 9' fly rod
thats a
3 piece) I really haven't had much trouble with 2 piece rods, but the
best one
piece rod in the world isn't worth a hill of beans if I cant fit it in the
car
to take it fishing.

-Zimmy

Who said thatI was'nt ready to deal with an honest answer? I just
asked a question.

The subject of your follow up post says a lot !
" SORRY, THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE REAL FISHERMEN HERE"
Course your actual post didn't help much!

You will find "many" varied opinions on this forum . Learn from them , there
is a "wealth" of experience that these people willingly share.

--
D. Norton
Millennium Rods
"Who Cares" wrote in message
...
Who said thatI was'nt ready to deal with an honest answer? I just
asked a question.

"Dave Norton" wrote in message
...
Okay, I've sat out of this long enough . Besides as those of you who know
me, I just can't help stir the s#$t pot once in a while.

To Who Cares: Why in the world would you come on this forum and pose a
question ,if you were not ready to deal with the honest ,unbaised opinions
that gather here?

And yes Calif. Bill , Opinions are like a%*holes. We all have them , "and"
yes in general they all stink. Doesn't mean you or I ,or even Craig is
wrong.

On the fly, nice reply to Calif. Bill, there Craig ! I remember when your
reply might have been different!

Okay, So now it's on to "my" opinion!
The problem with most segmented rods as Craig pointed out is in the
ferrules
, or spigots that hold them together.
Most manufactured rods "there's that word again" are not fitted with tight
enough tolerances. Sorry, but this is where a custom rod will again show
distinct differences . I remember my 1st 2pc Shakespeare spinning rod. It
quickly became a one pc. For the very reasons that Craig stated.

Bill said"Not everyone needs or requires the top of the line rod or boat.
Some have to justify expenditures."

To me that is an attempt at self-justification. Sorry Bill no offense
meant!
But as some of you that know me well, know that I don't have a money tree
in
the back yard.
Yet I have top of the line equipment. Some of you know how well I
barter...........hehehe!

So, if you want good tools , don't expect to find them at the local Wally
World .with the exception of Al!
Finally if you have a two piece rod that has gotten a bit sloppy. E-mail
me
I will gladly tell you how to make those ferrules and spigots snug again.


--
D. Norton
Millennium Rods
"G. M. Zimmermann" wrote in message
...
For me, any rod over 5' long has to be a two piece (I have a 9' fly rod
thats a
3 piece) I really haven't had much trouble with 2 piece rods, but the
best one
piece rod in the world isn't worth a hill of beans if I cant fit it in
the
car
to take it fishing.

-Zimmy



Not self justification. Is fact on the cost of equipment and how much one
can spend. I am lucky enough to be able to afford top of the line
equipment. Do not have a pure bass boat, because of where I fish, but my
1991 Jetcraft aluminum jetboat is still worth nearly $19k. New are now
$43k. I have both expensive rods and inexpensive. Bought one of the first
Dee Thomas flippn' sticks by owner. about $125 and that was at least 9
years ago. Have Seeker's and Sabre's for my tuna sticks. But there are a
lot of people who like to fish and do not make much more than $23-25k a
year. They can not justify or should not spend $250 for a rod and then
another $200 for a reel, when they still have to put food on the table and
clothes on the family. Fish mostly Abu's and Shimano's for reels. But,
Craig did handle my slight well, but is sort of anal to say that all 2 piece
rods go in the dumpster. Most of us fish for fun not as pro's to win enough
for a living or to even be top dog in competition. I am competitive, use to
race cars in SCCA, but have always fished for fun. Grew up about 10 blocks
from San Francisco Bay. I see lots of people just out for the day with the
kids. Is a great family outing. My kids had probably the most fun fishing
on a trip through Wisconsin (Turtle Creek Campground) catching and releasing
5" bluegills with a cheap fly rod I bought to fish a river near where we
were RV camped in another state. I get the feeling a few of the posters
here look down on the lower level fisherman. Unless you are an almost pure
bassfishing person, you are 2nd class. Look at the disdain most here have
for a Bowfin. Is a scrappy fish, fights well, and is native to the waters.
But may conflict with the bass, so kill and toss on the bank. Sad! A lot
of people drive to the lake in their small car and rent a boat for a days
fishing. They do not have the luxury of either a boat or driving an
Expedition as a daily car. There was a valid question about 2 piece rods,
and they were trashed just like if somebody asked about fishing for bass
from a $12,000 Bayliner.
Bill

Ok Bill, let's get some things straight. First, I'm not rich, in fact, I'm
not even well off, far from it. I work extremely hard for everything I own,
and have learned that QUALITY is far better than QUANTITY. So, for ME, I
would rather scrimp and save to own one top end G.Loomis/Shimano combo than
have four or more combos of lesser quality. Now that doesn't mean I look
down on anyone that uses a rod of lesser quality.

Second, I would love to own a row-boat right now. I gave my boat away when
I became a sponsored angler (because I thought I would be sponsored
forever). So when I loss my sponsorship, I loss my boat & truck. Now I am
grateful when a friend loans me their boat or takes me out for a day of
fishing.

Third, I may joke with people that fish for other species than bass, but it
is only me joking around. I try and spend some time every Sunday with a
group of old farts that fish for carp like I fish for bass. I go salmon
fishing at least once a year with one of them old farts (most are in their
late 60's, and old Elmer is 84).

When I teach kids about fishing, and I don't get a chance to do that as much
anymore, I always started them fishing for Crappie, Perch and Bluegill. It
is just easier for them to catch fish that way. I did the same thing for
all the homeless folks that live along the shore and under the bridges. In
fact, I use to buy them those K-Mart IM7 rods and cheap shimano reels and a
panfish starter kit. Give a man a fish, they eat for a day, teach a man to
fish and they can feed themselves forever. Sadly, I can't afford to do that
too often anymore either and I miss doing it. Some of the tales those folks
can tell you are just pretty freak'n amazing. I could sit and listen to
them for hours. Same reason I spend time with the old farts. I love to
hear their old tales and learn about the lake back in the old days. Sorry
for going off on a sidebar.

I don't think anyone here truly looks down on people using lower end
equipment or that fish for other species. I think we jab, joke, and play
with people, and since you cannot see the expression on the person's face,
you can't tell they are kidding around. I know I'm guilty of that myself -
thinking someone is being rude, when in fact they were joking.

--
Craig

I see people who think you need a G Loomis stick at least to catch bass.
Look down on the shore fisherman. Same think at some of the companies I
worked for ( I worked for a few startups). When layoffs came, a lot of the
engineers were full of self pity. We are all making $60-100k and job
prospects at another company were common (this is in the 80's & 90's). They
never seemed to feel for the assembly line workers that are making $20k /
year and living paycheck to paycheck. Absolutely worse move I have ever
seen a manager do was at a potluck Thanksgiving lunch in about 1988. The
Thanksgiving lunch at this company had always been paid for by the company
as we gave thanks we were still in business another year. But they got
cheap and only supplied the turkey. The biggest Turkey was the VP of
engineering. We had made a big sale to AT&T and the director of software
engineering had answered a bunch of AT&T's questions by having one of the
S/W engr's on the line. The VP went on and on how the director had helped
in the sale and here was a plague and a check. If he had stopped there, all
would have been fine. But he informs the assembled company that this is a
check for $5,000. In front of assembly people who make 16-19k/ year and the
company can not afford to pay for the lunch. The director drove a 928
Porsche and probably made $120k / year. My director could not see any thing
wrong. Worse moral booster I have ever witnessed.
Glad you are not that way. But for a lot of people an Ugly stick is a big
purchase.
Bill

"Craig" wrote in message
m...
Ok Bill, let's get some things straight. First, I'm not rich, in fact,
I'm
not even well off, far from it. I work extremely hard for everything I
own,
and have learned that QUALITY is far better than QUANTITY. So, for ME, I
would rather scrimp and save to own one top end G.Loomis/Shimano combo
than
have four or more combos of lesser quality. Now that doesn't mean I look
down on anyone that uses a rod of lesser quality.

Second, I would love to own a row-boat right now. I gave my boat away
when
I became a sponsored angler (because I thought I would be sponsored
forever). So when I loss my sponsorship, I loss my boat & truck. Now I
am
grateful when a friend loans me their boat or takes me out for a day of
fishing.

Third, I may joke with people that fish for other species than bass, but
it
is only me joking around. I try and spend some time every Sunday with a
group of old farts that fish for carp like I fish for bass. I go salmon
fishing at least once a year with one of them old farts (most are in their
late 60's, and old Elmer is 84).

When I teach kids about fishing, and I don't get a chance to do that as
much
anymore, I always started them fishing for Crappie, Perch and Bluegill.
It
is just easier for them to catch fish that way. I did the same thing for
all the homeless folks that live along the shore and under the bridges.
In
fact, I use to buy them those K-Mart IM7 rods and cheap shimano reels and
a
panfish starter kit. Give a man a fish, they eat for a day, teach a man
to
fish and they can feed themselves forever. Sadly, I can't afford to do
that
too often anymore either and I miss doing it. Some of the tales those
folks
can tell you are just pretty freak'n amazing. I could sit and listen to
them for hours. Same reason I spend time with the old farts. I love to
hear their old tales and learn about the lake back in the old days. Sorry
for going off on a sidebar.

I don't think anyone here truly looks down on people using lower end
equipment or that fish for other species. I think we jab, joke, and play
with people, and since you cannot see the expression on the person's
face,
you can't tell they are kidding around. I know I'm guilty of that
myself -
thinking someone is being rude, when in fact they were joking.

--
Craig

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Glad you are not that way. But for a lot of people an Ugly stick is a big
purchase.
Bill


Ugly sticks are great teaching tools for beginning wormers. They will
absorb a hookset that would otherwise rip the lips off a catfish.

I just gave away my Ugly Sticks though.


--
Bob La Londe
Yuma, Az
http://www.YumaBassMan.com
ADD YOUR WEB LINK TO THE LINK INDEX ON MY SITE

I have a couple of them I really like, but the first thing I did was glue
the 2 sections together. I had one come apart just as my line broke. A half
of a pole doesn't work very well. Darn trees anyway.
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"Who Cares" wrote in message
...
Any goods ones out there? Would you buy one? What do you look for in
one?

There are different ways of making the connection. The best use what I
think is call a spigot ferrule. What the top end fly fishing rods use.
Bill

"Bill & Lynda" wrote in message
news:vZeob.112301$sp2.73894@lakeread04...
I have a couple of them I really like, but the first thing I did was glue
the 2 sections together. I had one come apart just as my line broke. A
half
of a pole doesn't work very well. Darn trees anyway.
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"Who Cares" wrote in message
...
Any goods ones out there? Would you buy one? What do you look for in
one?