Casting Disaster

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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who, if he DID have a handgun, would probably shoot the van.


At least your tail-lights WERE working properly last March.

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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who, if he DID have a handgun, would probably shoot the van.


At least your tail-lights WERE working properly last March.

The beast is like some dank and fetid creature out of a King novel.......it
has no interest in small deer like lights. Transmissions and drive
trains......ah, these are its meat.

Wolfgang
who, it must be admitted, is inhibited less by a lack of hardware than a
dearth of nerve.

wrote...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 04:28:13 -0600, Warren wrote:
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BTW, here is the first hit I got from concealed weapons permits=20
requirements.
http://www.sdsos.gov/firearms/
"18 years-of age or older;=20
never pled guilty to, nolo contendere to, or been convicted of a=20
felony or a crime of violence;=20
not habitually intoxicated or drugged;=20
no history of repeated acts of violence;=20
has not been found in the previous ten years to be a "danger to=20
others" or a "danger to self" as defined in =A7 27A-1-1 or is not=20
currently adjudged mentally incompetent;=20
has been a resident of the county or municipality where the=20
application is being made for at least thirty days;
has had no violations of chapter 23-7, firearms control, 22-14,=20
unlawful use of weapons, or 22-42, controlled substances; marijuana,=20
in the five years preceding the date of application;=20
is a citizen of the United States; and=20
is not a fugitive from justice."

That is far more restrictive than what we do for driver's licenses.

So you are saying that "far more" people qualify for a drivers license
than a gun permit based on those criteria? Maybe in Montana, I
suppose. g

I have no idea how many qualify for a driver's license or a=20
concealed weapons permit. I was merely stating that there is a=20
criteria used in determining if someone is allowed to get a=20
concealed weapons permit. All they do for driver's licenses AFAIK=20
is check that you aren't suspended/revoked in the state or from any=20
other state. When I moved out here, I went in and got a license=20
after showing them my previous license. I didn't have to take tests=20
of any kind and they only verified that I was not suspended or=20
revoked. They took my picture, a thumb print and sent me on my way=20
with a license. The process to get a concealed weapons permit is=20
more rigorous, as it should be, and they use criteria similar to=20
that of South Dakota.

Or are you insinuating that Georgia gives felons, violent criminals,=20
fugitives, etc concealed weapons permits and nobody driver's=20
licenses? g
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Warren
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wrote...
Attempting Eddaic Poetry for the first time, Warren wrote --

During those instances I
find myself more than willing to take the chances of
encountering an asshole cop that will bust me for it and I
place my faith in the legal system for resolving the issue.

IOW, you'll break the law when it is convienent for you to do
so.

The reason I place my faith in the legal system is that it is legal
going to or from any outdoor activities. An asshole cop *could*
arrest you for it, but it wouldn't hold up in court. It isn't that
I am doing anything illegal, it would just be a hassle.

http://data.opi.state.mt.us/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-317.htm
"45-8-317. Exceptions. (1) Section 45-8-316 does not apply to:
(I) a person who is outside the official boundaries of a city or
town or the confines of a logging, lumbering, mining, or railroad
camp or who is lawfully engaged in hunting, fishing, trapping,
camping, hiking, backpacking, farming, ranching, or other outdoor
activity in which weapons are often carried for recreation or
protection;"

You're another sorry example of the 'law-abiding' gun owner.

Sorry, you lose. But thanks for playing. :-)
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Warren
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wrote...
I think that comparing auto deaths to guns deaths as it is being done
here is misleading. People in the US spend FAR more hours in their cars
than they do carrying guns. If you compared the deaths per hour of "use"
(have a gun on your person and driving or riding in a car) the
statistics would be MUCH different. Nobody gets killed by a gun
locked in a gun safe, just like no one gets killed by a (nonrunning) car
in a garage, but people take their car out of the garage much more often
than they take the gun out of its safe.

The comparison of cars to handguns is that there is a minority group
of people in each that are dangerous. Wouldn't it be fair to argue
that if you believe in doing away with concealed handguns because of
a few nuts, that you are just being hypocritical if you don't apply
the same logic and rationale to vehicles and dangerous drivers? If
you honestly mourn the deaths of whatever number of people are
killed with handguns (or whatever criteria it is that you are using)
and believe [concealed] handguns should be taken away, do you ignore
those killed in auto-accidents from DUI drivers, etc just because
you drive? What if I didn't like Golden Retrievers but loved
Chihuahuas, should I be allowed to tell you that you can no longer
own or breed them? They are a pretty useless dog..... (not really,
but just for the sake of argument ;-) Wouldn't you argue that there
is a use for Goldens even though *I* didn't think so? Wouldn't you
question why I found one type of dog to be useless while another
"useful"? Do you understand where I was headed and why I made the
comparison now?

I am not saying that we should relax current laws and let everyone
have a concealed weapons permit. I am not saying that everyone
needs or should get one either. I have absolutely no need for a
concealed weapons permit and doubt that I will ever need one. Some
people do find them "useful" even though they make *you* nervous.
They may find them to be necessary even though *you* don't. Some
people may even be required to carry one for a job (couriers for
example). I think the *option* to obtain one should remain and I
don't think that just because someone has one that they are a
paranoid gun nut.
--
Warren
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 01:09:42 -0600, Warren wrote:

Or are you insinuating that Georgia gives felons, violent criminals,
fugitives, etc concealed weapons permits and nobody driver's
licenses? g

Nope. But in order to get a drivers license you have to, at some
point, take a test and prove you can drive. To get a concealed permit
you don't have to prove you know how to handle a gun.
--
Charlie...

wrote...
Nope. But in order to get a drivers license you have to, at some
point, take a test and prove you can drive. To get a concealed permit
you don't have to prove you know how to handle a gun.

I am not sure that all states require it, but Montana does. Most of
the others that I have checked also require some sort of safety
course.

"5. Must show proof of safety education qualification or approved
firearms safety training course and satisfactory completion."

http://www.co.jefferson.mt.us/county...n_permit.shtml

You may find this interesting though. This is taken from
http://www.doj.state.mt.us/enforceme...edweapons.asp:

"People who hold permits from the following states may not carry
concealed weapons in Montana because their state laws do not
expressly require background checks of permit applicants: Alabama,
Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, New Hampshire and Rhode Island."

That even worries me. I can understand why people would be against
concealed weapons permits in those states. Not only would I
understand, but I'd even agree with them.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt on either yahoo or earthlink to respond via email)

On Tue, 11 May 2004 04:52:24 -0600, Warren wrote:

wrote...
Nope. But in order to get a drivers license you have to, at some
point, take a test and prove you can drive. To get a concealed permit
you don't have to prove you know how to handle a gun.

I am not sure that all states require it, but Montana does. Most of
the others that I have checked also require some sort of safety
course.

Georgia doesn't.

http://www.cobbcounty.org/judicial/p...rearms_lic.htm
--
Charlie...

"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 02:01:31 -0600, Warren wrote:

What if I didn't like Golden Retrievers but loved
Chihuahuas, should I be allowed to tell you that you can no longer
own or breed them? They are a pretty useless dog..... (not really,
but just for the sake of argument ;-) Wouldn't you argue that there
is a use for Goldens even though *I* didn't think so?


I can see it clear as day: an Attack Golden Retriever,
more powerful than a bag of marshmallows, meaner than
a week-old baby, capable of ripping you apart at the
slightest provocation....just like your average 38...

Did you ever see the Far Side cartoon about golden retrievers? "The 4 Moods
of Golden Retrievers" Four frames in the cartoon, showing the dog with
identical faces in each frame - mindless contentment, tongue hanging out.
Each frame labeled: Happy, sad, angry, bored, or some such thing.

In article , Doug Kanter
wrote:

"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 02:01:31 -0600, Warren wrote:

What if I didn't like Golden Retrievers but loved
Chihuahuas, should I be allowed to tell you that you can no longer
own or breed them? They are a pretty useless dog..... (not really,
but just for the sake of argument ;-) Wouldn't you argue that there
is a use for Goldens even though *I* didn't think so?


I can see it clear as day: an Attack Golden Retriever,
more powerful than a bag of marshmallows, meaner than
a week-old baby, capable of ripping you apart at the
slightest provocation....just like your average 38...

Did you ever see the Far Side cartoon about golden retrievers? "The 4 Moods
of Golden Retrievers" Four frames in the cartoon, showing the dog with
identical faces in each frame - mindless contentment, tongue hanging out.
Each frame labeled: Happy, sad, angry, bored, or some such thing.

If not, Here you go.

http://www.johnstons.org/roy/comics/...s.cfm?Comic=26

Allen