Fishing Trip Shaving

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Jonathan Cook wrote:

Is it ethical to shave while on a fishing trip ?

Only on the last day, purple state.

Purple state, that's funny. New Mexico is pretty much like the
rest of the country. Check this out:

http://www.esri.com/industries/elect...lts2004_lg.jpg

No, no. Check this out:
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/pics/countymap.jpg ;-)

What that map shows is that virtually every major city in the US
voted blue. What's particularly interesting is the little blue
islands, Austin, Texas, Athens, Georgia, Raleigh, North Carolina
and my own little blue island Champaign County, Illinois.

You don't even get a shiny new nickel for knowing what those
little blue islands have in common.

More loonies? Academia? (sorry to be so repetitive) )
--
TL,
Tim
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:03:09 -0700, Willi & Sue
wrote:


The biggest flaw I see is that they take the pollyannish perspective
that unrestricted ownership somehow always results in a situation that's
good for society.

And that almost all people will do the right thing because it's good
for them. Many will. If they do know what's good for them. But I've
worked for bosses and companies that would really ride roughshod over
everything in the way almost as often as I've worked for decent ones.
And only once worked for a company that was intentionally great to the
employees and customers as a matter of policy, not just advertising,
though I've had several supervisors and intermediate managers who
cared about both the company and the employees. Though those assumed
that the company had equal good intentions (not always correctly).


It's similar to the fallacies put forth by hard line free
market people or socialists or communists or any rigid social model. In
a perfect world populated solely with "good" people ANY of these systems
would work well. That's not the world I live in.

Yep. There are people who are greedy, people who aren't going to get
high IQ or knowledge or common sense scores (they are different), and
people who don't see connections between what they do and what
happens.

(I also strongly dislike their position on public lands.)

Do they have one? I thought they were totally for private ownership
or as good as.

I'm not a real Libertarian. I like some of the philosophy, but if
they became one of the two major parties, I'd be voting elsewhere. Or
moving elsewhere. Probably voting for my alternative for elective
offices where I don't like the major candidates. The Grassroots
Party. A bit more simple and single minded, but admirable. Not the
Greens, even though they showed sense by getting Nader to go away.

You should have the background information that I'd have voted for
Jesse Ventura, had he chosen to run again. He'd only made one or two
mistakes that I wanted to slap him for as governor here.
Unfortunately he made too many political correctness mistakes in the
press, which is a whole different matter than actually governing.



Cyli
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Often taunted by trout.

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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:03:09 -0700, Willi & Sue
wrote:


The biggest flaw I see is that they take the pollyannish perspective
that unrestricted ownership somehow always results in a situation that's
good for society.

And that almost all people will do the right thing because it's good
for them. Many will. If they do know what's good for them. But I've
worked for bosses and companies that would really ride roughshod over
everything in the way almost as often as I've worked for decent ones.
And only once worked for a company that was intentionally great to the
employees and customers as a matter of policy, not just advertising,
though I've had several supervisors and intermediate managers who
cared about both the company and the employees. Though those assumed
that the company had equal good intentions (not always correctly).


It's similar to the fallacies put forth by hard line free
market people or socialists or communists or any rigid social model. In
a perfect world populated solely with "good" people ANY of these systems
would work well. That's not the world I live in.

Yep. There are people who are greedy, people who aren't going to get
high IQ or knowledge or common sense scores (they are different), and
people who don't see connections between what they do and what
happens.

(I also strongly dislike their position on public lands.)

Do they have one? I thought they were totally for private ownership
or as good as.

I'm not a real Libertarian. I like some of the philosophy, but if
they became one of the two major parties, I'd be voting elsewhere. Or
moving elsewhere. Probably voting for my alternative for elective
offices where I don't like the major candidates. The Grassroots
Party. A bit more simple and single minded, but admirable. Not the
Greens, even though they showed sense by getting Nader to go away.

You should have the background information that I'd have voted for
Jesse Ventura, had he chosen to run again. He'd only made one or two
mistakes that I wanted to slap him for as governor here.
Unfortunately he made too many political correctness mistakes in the
press, which is a whole different matter than actually governing.



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli wrote:

with the dog

Do they have one? I thought they were totally for private ownership
or as good as.

That's what I object to.


You should have the background information that I'd have voted for
Jesse Ventura, had he chosen to run again. He'd only made one or two
mistakes that I wanted to slap him for as governor here.
Unfortunately he made too many political correctness mistakes in the
press, which is a whole different matter than actually governing.


From what I read about him, I would have voted for him too.

Willi

Cyli wrote:

with the dog

Do they have one? I thought they were totally for private ownership
or as good as.

That's what I object to.


You should have the background information that I'd have voted for
Jesse Ventura, had he chosen to run again. He'd only made one or two
mistakes that I wanted to slap him for as governor here.
Unfortunately he made too many political correctness mistakes in the
press, which is a whole different matter than actually governing.


From what I read about him, I would have voted for him too.

Willi

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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:24:27 -0700, Willi & Sue
wrote:

Cyli wrote:



Do they have one? I thought they were totally for private ownership
or as good as.

That's what I object to.

What any person who's observed private ownership of land by uncaring
people objects to. Now I'm sure some owners of large tracts conserve
them well or leave them alone, but we've all heard about the problems
with overgrazing on government land and private land out west and, if
we've opened our eyes, seen bad handling of family owned land wherever
we are. In our area bad handling is the rule, rather than the
exception. This is on the much vaunted 'family farm' that's
supposedly being preserved for future generations. Total lack of
conservation methods that my city high school taught me decades ago.
Watch the topsoil go east during the fall plowing season, for just one
example.

And, lord knows, greed is much worse than uncaring. Clear cutting on
steep slopes is one of my pet peeves there. But it'll be done if laws
aren't both passed and enforced. Libertarians are against that sort
of lawmaking.

I could go on for paragraphs. But the outline is there for that rant.

Cyli
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Often taunted by trout.

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:20:46 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Three days into a six day canoe trip one of the gals sat
down on a log and proceeded to shave her legs. With COLD
water !! That was weird.

When I go on a multi-day fishing trip I don't shave for
the duration, perhaps that's weird too.

Here's a roffian survey and please indicate whether you
live in a blue state or a red state. ;-)

Is it ethical to shave while on a fishing trip ?


Nope, time wasted shaving can be spent fishing.

(Soon to be white state) (that's snow, BTW)

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:20:46 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Three days into a six day canoe trip one of the gals sat
down on a log and proceeded to shave her legs. With COLD
water !! That was weird.

When I go on a multi-day fishing trip I don't shave for
the duration, perhaps that's weird too.

Here's a roffian survey and please indicate whether you
live in a blue state or a red state. ;-)

Is it ethical to shave while on a fishing trip ?


Nope, time wasted shaving can be spent fishing.

(Soon to be white state) (that's snow, BTW)

Peter

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I shave my neck below my beard daily with a battery-powered shaver;
otherwise it gets very scratchy and bothers me. When I just let it grow, I
end up looking too scruffy even for me.

Red state, blue county, blue voter.

--riverman