Madison Clave 2005 Questions

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:05:25 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:

i've sorta got soda butte, bechler, and
the lamar on my list of "would like to fish" streams as i've not yet
seen or fished them.

I might be up for the Lamar, but it's supposedly one of the last to clear up
from runoff so if may still be clouded up - Warren said the snowfall has been
pretty good. Soda Butte was blown out when Lou T took me there last year and I'd
like to give it a shot this year.
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:27:08 -0400, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:05:25 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:

i've sorta got soda butte, bechler, and
the lamar on my list of "would like to fish" streams as i've not yet
seen or fished them.

I might be up for the Lamar, but it's supposedly one of the last to clear up
from runoff so if may still be clouded up - Warren said the snowfall has been
pretty good. Soda Butte was blown out when Lou T took me there last year and I'd
like to give it a shot this year.


The Lamar can get dirty from a thunder strom up in the Valleys and
may take a few days to clear. There is a green drake like fly that
comes off in early July who's name escapes me..

wrote in message
oups.com...
I'll take a shot:

7b. 3X for me, but I'll have some 4X just in case.

bruce h


3X?? Are you serious?

Danl

Danl wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

I'll take a shot:

7b. 3X for me, but I'll have some 4X just in case.

bruce h



3X?? Are you serious?

3x is way overkill for a 5wt rod, or anything lighter, unless maybe you
expect to get snagged a lot.

I never go below 4x for ordinary trout fishing, and rarely below 5x.

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"rw" wrote in message
...
3x is way overkill for a 5wt rod, or anything lighter, unless maybe you
expect to get snagged a lot.

I never go below 4x for ordinary trout fishing, and rarely below 5x.

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My question was whether Bruiser normally uses 3x on the Madison (for
instance). I don't think 3x is particularly overkill for a 5 wt. I would use
the largest leader/tippet I could , limited by when the fish start to care
too much. The larger the line, the easier on me, easier on the fish, easier
on my terminal tackle/fly budget. As some have avered, the fooling of the
fish is the most of the game; the playing and landing are not so large a
part of the fun.

Danl

Yes I use 3X on the Madison - Cabela's Tectan in a similar size but
basically 3X. Pretty sure that I have no idea what I'm doing but my
hottest streak ever on that river was last year with two nymphs and 3X
all the way to the end.

I've been using 3X lately with my 3 weight with stimulators tied by RW
himself! It's a wild world. That won't work for me later in the
season. Lately there's been stoneflies crawling all over me and 3X
works great so what the hell. Good for getting the fly out of trees
too!

bruce h

wrote:

I've been using 3X lately with my 3 weight with stimulators tied by RW
himself! It's a wild world.

I stand corrected. 3x isn't overkill if you need to turn over a big,
bushy, overdressed dry fly, although you might have trouble getting it
threaded through the crowded eye. :-)

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I am on my last one of those Stimulators and the eye was crowded on
maybe 2 of apprx 25 you gave me. Mostly I critiqued the oversized
front hackle : -) I have caught lots of fish with those flies and with
each fish I like the big hackle more and more! And with every fish I'm
reminded that I'm a dork (G).


bh

rw wrote:
Danl wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

I'll take a shot:

7b. 3X for me, but I'll have some 4X just in case.

bruce h




3X?? Are you serious?


3x is way overkill for a 5wt rod, or anything lighter, unless maybe you
expect to get snagged a lot.

I never go below 4x for ordinary trout fishing, and rarely below 5x.


I think 3 or 4X is a good choice if you're going to be fishing the big
salmonflies using either dries or nymphs. 5X or smaller is going to
twist with the air resistant dries and not turn over well with either
the heavy nymphs or the bushy dries.


And I don't understand why 3 or 4X would be overkill for a 5 weight or
lighter rod. (I know you did an "experiment" that, IMO, didn't relate to
real fishing). On a boisterous river like the Madison below Quake Lake
there's seldom any reason to go lighter than 4X.

I'd also be interested in doing a test of your 7X is as good as 2X with
a 5 weight on the Madison. I'll make you the same offer I made Peter
"I'll buy you dinner and drinks if you land a fish over 18" in a
couple(two or three) minutes or just land a fish over 20" on 7X tippet."


Willi

wrote:
I am on my last one of those Stimulators and the eye was crowded on
maybe 2 of apprx 25 you gave me. Mostly I critiqued the oversized
front hackle : -) I have caught lots of fish with those flies and with
each fish I like the big hackle more and more! And with every fish I'm
reminded that I'm a dork (G).


bh



Where have you been fishing that wasn't blown out? Everything around
here is raging and you guys had some big snowpack down there.

Willi