Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?

Stephen Henning wrote:
When I was describing a snake a saw climbing a tree and
asking if it was poisonous, they told me "they all are poisonous."

"Which ones aren't poisonous?" "... A few of the sheep."

Dave
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Don Freeman wrote:
"Lon" wrote in message


Yet you state that the snake was on the bank, and you were 20 ft away, on
the water, and in a boat. Now THAT sounds non-provoked.


I think he misunderstood the snake's motivation. The snake was really
trying to protect him from the Killer Rabbit that was trying to crawl into
the boat from the other side.

OK Lon. Do I need to remind you that there is a BoMP in place here?

Jimmy Carter was an MP?






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"Don Freeman" wrote in message
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"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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Don Freeman wrote:

Doing a search on "aggressive" and "cottonmouth" I find a lot of
disparity in opinions on wither the cottonmouth is actually aggressive
or not. Looking closer at the sources I find that the more reliable ones
(as opposed to joe blows blog site) tend to support the position that
its aggressive nature is not deserved.

Man that sounds like the shark huggers (naturalist) who claim bull sharks
are not aggressive, they mistake humans for fish.

A couple of naturalist were proving that very fact a couple of years ago,
in knee deep water, with bull sharks all around them, and guess what? one
of them got nailed! on camera, yet they still claimed they are not
aggressive

Well duh, and if you walk into a pit of even the most timid snakes you are
bound to annoy at least one of them.


California banned cougar hunting a few years back, and now people are
dying, while they are jogging in their neighborhoods


Oh yeah, they're killing us left and right out here, can't walk to the
corner market without being attacked. That's why there are so many
humvees and other forms of SUVs in my neighborhood: to protects us from
all the unwarranted feline attention.

For a little perspective:
http://california.sierraclub.org/mou...on/safety.html

"Your risk of being injured or killed by a mountain lion is infinitesimal.
There have been only 13 fatal mountain lion attacks in all of North
America in the last 100 years. Eleven of the fatal attacks occurred in
western states and provinces where trophy hunting of lions is allowed.
According to the Department of Fish and Game's own records, in the last 20
years more than 85 people have died and 700 people have been injured in
hunting accidents in California. For every person killed by a mountain
lion in the last century, 300 people have been killed by bees,. 750 people
have died when their cars collided with deer, 1200 people have been killed
by lightning, and more than 1100 people were killed in hunting-related
accidents. Hunting presents a much greater threat to public safety than
mountain lions."

My feelings on the matter is from personal experience, not based on what
I have read somewhere, and I would bet Joe Blow's Blog site is based on
the same thing, his personal experiences


More likely to have been based on apocryphal/anecdotal incidences.
Which, ironically enough, turns this thread on-topic for this group.

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-Don "whose signature link is even more appropriate" Freeman
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)


And the Sierra club is full of ****! There were only about 2 deaths from
Mt. Lions until they were put on the protected list. They are not
endangered, they are fairly common. They have about wiped out the
California Big Horn sheep in a few areas. We a lot living in the San
Francisco Bay area hills.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don Freeman" wrote in message
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"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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California banned cougar hunting a few years back, and now people are
dying, while they are jogging in their neighborhoods


Oh yeah, they're killing us left and right out here, can't walk to the
corner market without being attacked. That's why there are so many
humvees and other forms of SUVs in my neighborhood: to protects us from
all the unwarranted feline attention.

For a little perspective:
http://california.sierraclub.org/mou...on/safety.html

"Your risk of being injured or killed by a mountain lion is
infinitesimal. There have been only 13 fatal mountain lion attacks in all
of North America in the last 100 years. Eleven of the fatal attacks
occurred in western states and provinces where trophy hunting of lions is
allowed. According to the Department of Fish and Game's own records, in
the last 20 years more than 85 people have died and 700 people have been
injured in hunting accidents in California. For every person killed by a
mountain lion in the last century, 300 people have been killed by bees,.
750 people have died when their cars collided with deer, 1200 people have
been killed by lightning, and more than 1100 people were killed in
hunting-related accidents. Hunting presents a much greater threat to
public safety than mountain lions."


And the Sierra club is full of ****! There were only about 2 deaths from
Mt. Lions until they were put on the protected list. They are not
endangered, they are fairly common. They have about wiped out the
California Big Horn sheep in a few areas. We a lot living in the San
Francisco Bay area hills.


Then you are saying that they misquoted the California Fish & Game? Or is
the F&G full of **** too? Do you have anything to back your statements up
with?

I live there too, and the only accounts of Mountain Lions are in areas where
people have moved into their range. Or are forced out and into other areas
habituated by people. Such as the recent sightings in Walnut Creek.
http://cbs5.com/pets/local_story_190171231.html none of which posed any
danger.


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-Don
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:40:52 -0400, (David
DeLaney) typed furiously:

Stephen Henning wrote:
When I was describing a snake a saw climbing a tree and
asking if it was poisonous, they told me "they all are poisonous."

"Which ones aren't poisonous?" "... A few of the sheep."

Dave

What was meant was "Treat them all as poisonous. That way you won't
get bitten."
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"Men have two emotions: Hungry and Horny. If you see him
without an erection, make him a sandwich."
- Someone on soc.sexuality.general

"Don Freeman" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Don Freeman" wrote in message
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"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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California banned cougar hunting a few years back, and now people are
dying, while they are jogging in their neighborhoods


Oh yeah, they're killing us left and right out here, can't walk to the
corner market without being attacked. That's why there are so many
humvees and other forms of SUVs in my neighborhood: to protects us from
all the unwarranted feline attention.

For a little perspective:
http://california.sierraclub.org/mou...on/safety.html

"Your risk of being injured or killed by a mountain lion is
infinitesimal. There have been only 13 fatal mountain lion attacks in
all of North America in the last 100 years. Eleven of the fatal attacks
occurred in western states and provinces where trophy hunting of lions
is allowed. According to the Department of Fish and Game's own records,
in the last 20 years more than 85 people have died and 700 people have
been injured in hunting accidents in California. For every person killed
by a mountain lion in the last century, 300 people have been killed by
bees,. 750 people have died when their cars collided with deer, 1200
people have been killed by lightning, and more than 1100 people were
killed in hunting-related accidents. Hunting presents a much greater
threat to public safety than mountain lions."


And the Sierra club is full of ****! There were only about 2 deaths from
Mt. Lions until they were put on the protected list. They are not
endangered, they are fairly common. They have about wiped out the
California Big Horn sheep in a few areas. We a lot living in the San
Francisco Bay area hills.


Then you are saying that they misquoted the California Fish & Game? Or is
the F&G full of **** too? Do you have anything to back your statements up
with?

I live there too, and the only accounts of Mountain Lions are in areas
where people have moved into their range. Or are forced out and into other
areas habituated by people. Such as the recent sightings in Walnut Creek.
http://cbs5.com/pets/local_story_190171231.html none of which posed any
danger.


--
-Don
Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)


The Calif. F&G is full of **** also. Look at the bad science and the
MLPA's. Bought and paid for by Environazis! Walnut Creek has been a large
population center for years, backing up to Mt. Diablo. Why are these lions
no danger to the populace? They do not like Burb people? Pleasanton Ridge
has several lions. Lots of hikers and bikers. and is between Pleasanton
with 80,000 people and Hayward with even more.

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:46:56 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The Calif. F&G is full of **** also. Look at the bad science and the
MLPA's. Bought and paid for by Environazis! Walnut Creek has been a large
population center for years, backing up to Mt. Diablo. Why are these lions
no danger to the populace? They do not like Burb people? Pleasanton Ridge
has several lions. Lots of hikers and bikers. and is between Pleasanton
with 80,000 people and Hayward with even more.


Show us the facts. EXACTLY how many people can you demonstrate have
been attacked in the area you are blathering about?

"Bob Ward" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:46:56 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The Calif. F&G is full of **** also. Look at the bad science and the
MLPA's. Bought and paid for by Environazis! Walnut Creek has been a
large
population center for years, backing up to Mt. Diablo. Why are these
lions
no danger to the populace? They do not like Burb people? Pleasanton
Ridge
has several lions. Lots of hikers and bikers. and is between Pleasanton
with 80,000 people and Hayward with even more.


Show us the facts. EXACTLY how many people can you demonstrate have
been attacked in the area you are blathering about?


The fact that both of you are acting as flaming assholes hardly negates the
need for rational discussion lions.

First, as with a dozen other noticeable species, the puma/cougar/lion has
altered its behavior in recent years, over time adjusting itself lifestyle
and range to the presence of humans - not to the extent that coyotes have -
but in essence beginning to reclaim range it had once abandoned. Food
sources obviously play a part in the "re-spread" of lion habitat and the
growth in the number of lions about. Hunting likely never diminished the
number of lions as much as did loss of habitat, and "learning"/adapting to
new "dietary supplements" helps keep cubs alive and able to grow into
adulthood and reproduce (although finding a mate remain desperately
difficult for many lions, isolated by their solitary habits).

Generally speaking, lions are unlikely to seek close contact with people,
and given their coloration and stealth, folks could walk within a few feet
of a lion, never aware of its presence.

There are some ringers which may cause that equation to imbalance.

A female with cubs nearby may react in a fashion quite different from
"normal".

Any lion which as spent much of its life in proximity to frequent human
activity may, just as even gentle pets do, lash out defensively at a human
who appears as threatening. Why a lion perceives a specific individual or
instance as threatening, we don't know. Ask the lions. I've not know any
"Lion Whisperers" of repute in that area.

Some "experts" have with reason claimed that lions see joggers and bike
riders as something other than humans, the rapid movement or the vehicle
altering the appearance, causing the lion to view the rider or runner as
potential prey.

Others view these sort of attacks in simpler perspective, that runners and
riders confront less than wary lions more quickly than us simple plodders
wandering about, obviously human by our smell and not fast enough to be
athreat. By Golly, I might bite a bike rider who arrived unannounced on my
porch as I was napping during the day in the warm sun, a lionish thing to
do.

The inevitable result....More people in more places added to some resurgence
in lion population along with reclamation of former range simply means there
will be more attacks, and with a video cam, station vehicle and helo waiting
breathlessly for every human or animal tragedy, the events will be covered.

TM "Don't bike with pumas, and don't send your three year old out to play
with the coyotes either." Oliver

"TOliver" wrote in message
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"Bob Ward" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:46:56 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The Calif. F&G is full of **** also. Look at the bad science and the
MLPA's. Bought and paid for by Environazis! Walnut Creek has been a
large
population center for years, backing up to Mt. Diablo. Why are these
lions
no danger to the populace? They do not like Burb people? Pleasanton
Ridge
has several lions. Lots of hikers and bikers. and is between Pleasanton
with 80,000 people and Hayward with even more.


Show us the facts. EXACTLY how many people can you demonstrate have
been attacked in the area you are blathering about?


The fact that both of you are acting as flaming assholes hardly negates
the need for rational discussion lions.

First, as with a dozen other noticeable species, the puma/cougar/lion has
altered its behavior in recent years, over time adjusting itself lifestyle
and range to the presence of humans - not to the extent that coyotes
have - but in essence beginning to reclaim range it had once abandoned.
Food sources obviously play a part in the "re-spread" of lion habitat and
the growth in the number of lions about. Hunting likely never diminished
the number of lions as much as did loss of habitat, and
"learning"/adapting to new "dietary supplements" helps keep cubs alive and
able to grow into adulthood and reproduce (although finding a mate remain
desperately difficult for many lions, isolated by their solitary habits).

Generally speaking, lions are unlikely to seek close contact with people,
and given their coloration and stealth, folks could walk within a few feet
of a lion, never aware of its presence.

There are some ringers which may cause that equation to imbalance.

A female with cubs nearby may react in a fashion quite different from
"normal".

Any lion which as spent much of its life in proximity to frequent human
activity may, just as even gentle pets do, lash out defensively at a human
who appears as threatening. Why a lion perceives a specific individual or
instance as threatening, we don't know. Ask the lions. I've not know any
"Lion Whisperers" of repute in that area.

Some "experts" have with reason claimed that lions see joggers and bike
riders as something other than humans, the rapid movement or the vehicle
altering the appearance, causing the lion to view the rider or runner as
potential prey.

Others view these sort of attacks in simpler perspective, that runners and
riders confront less than wary lions more quickly than us simple plodders
wandering about, obviously human by our smell and not fast enough to be
athreat. By Golly, I might bite a bike rider who arrived unannounced on
my porch as I was napping during the day in the warm sun, a lionish thing
to do.

The inevitable result....More people in more places added to some
resurgence in lion population along with reclamation of former range
simply means there will be more attacks, and with a video cam, station
vehicle and helo waiting breathlessly for every human or animal tragedy,
the events will be covered.

TM "Don't bike with pumas, and don't send your three year old out to play
with the coyotes either." Oliver




The lions have also lost fear of humans. And why are acting like a flaming
asshole?

Not at all, I'm always "now" out with a pistol, I rarely shoot anything

The reason for that is this http://ezknot.com/raccoon.html

It's a funny story now, but it was not when it happened

Wow. Reminds me of the time we had a mangy-looking skunk in the
neighborhood with a definite problem! It was out in broad daylight in my
front yard chewing on the grass. Maypies were flying down pecking at it.
The kids in the neighborhood (residential street in city limits) were about
to get out of school. My neighbor called all "the authorities" and got no
where. So he took matters into his own hands. Since he would be fined
heavily for discharging a firearm, he dropped a big rock on its head.

No one could open their windows that evening, but our kids were safe.

Today the authorities wouldn't pull that off for long, as one of the local
news stations now does a troubleshooting section called "What makes you
mad?" Where local citizens can call and complain. This show has cleared and
gotten the slow moving bureaucracy stepping up. ~ jan
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