Fly Patterns: East vs. West

For those that may have fished eastern and western streams, do you use
markedly different patterns for PMDs and/or sulphurs depending on region?
What about northeast vs southeast (i.e. Penns vs Smokies)?

Danl

"Danl" danlfinn@*remove this*intergate.com wrote in message
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For those that may have fished eastern and western streams, do you use
markedly different patterns for PMDs and/or sulphurs depending on region?
What about northeast vs southeast (i.e. Penns vs Smokies)?

Danl


Guessin' your talkin' dries? Cause if you were talkin' nymphs I think the
sulphur nymphs work quite efficiently any all areas, as do pheasant tails,
at least the three areas you mentioned. As for the dries, I think the color
does make a big difference. Even between Penn's and Big Fishing Creek,
which are only a couple valleys apart in PA, you will see enough variation
to make a difference when fishing.

I think the distinction may be in the fish themselves. If we looking at
fish in primarily clear spring water, which get fished over consistently, I
think they are more apt to key an exact shades whereas fish in small, clear
mountain stream, might take anything that resembles life.

One thing that surprised me out West during the Western claves were the fish
in the Yellowstone River. For a place that has a long closed season, and
full of cutts, you would think they would be easier than the Madison, but
daaamn those fish were aaaaasssssholes....

So ya coming out for our clave this year?

THE Finn...

"Mike Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote in message
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Guessin' your talkin' dries? Cause if you were talkin' nymphs I think
the
sulphur nymphs work quite efficiently any all areas, as do pheasant
tails, at least the three areas you mentioned. As for the dries, I think
the color does make a big difference. Even between Penn's and Big Fishing
Creek, which are only a couple valleys apart in PA, you will see enough
variation to make a difference when fishing.

So is it generally color A for Penn's and color B for BFC, or is it just
different colors in different places on different days? In other words, do
you have a Penns Sulphur color and a BFC sulphur color?

One thing that surprised me out West during the Western claves were the
fish in the Yellowstone River. For a place that has a long closed season,
and full of cutts, you would think they would be easier than the Madison,
but daaamn those fish were aaaaasssssholes....

All the dumb cutts are up in Slough Creek Almost all the rest, regardless of
species or location are AAAAAASSSSholes!!!


So ya coming out for our clave this year?

Its possible, its possible. When are you gonna be there?

And BTW, I had a link to Tom's Penns Creek Flies, or some such, but it no
workee anymore. Whappened to it?


THE Finn... Hmmmm

Danl, who is at least _a_ Finn...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Danl" danlfinn@*remove this*intergate.com
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: Fly Patterns: East vs. West


So is it generally color A for Penn's and color B for BFC, or is it just
different colors in different places on different days? In other words, do
you have a Penns Sulphur color and a BFC sulphur color?
Yep different colors, may even be a different animal...



So ya coming out for our clave this year?

Its possible, its possible. When are you gonna be there?
Great to hear,..that at least it's a possibility.

Haven't made concrete reservations yet, but I will be there somewhere. My
buddy (Bruce Fisher) is opening a fly shop on the downstream end of the good
water, so may be hangin down-east for some of the time. Since Hemlock is
already sold out, it may be a half tenting, half Bruce's place, but going
with the flow. I also have some time to spend with an old friend who's up
there the week before (you may have met him a few year's back..Pat), and an
old friend of my wife's family whom I just found out has a place up there
near Poe Paddy, and has been going up there for decades (gonna fish with the
old man of the sea..).


And BTW, I had a link to Tom's Penns Creek Flies, or some such, but it no
workee anymore. Whappened to it?


You'll have to ask the big man, but here is Bruce's:
http://www.pennscreekangler.com/



Danl, who is at least _a_ Finn...

details, details..

Mike

"Danl" danlfinn@*remove this*intergate.com wrote in message
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For those that may have fished eastern and western streams, do you use
markedly different patterns for PMDs and/or sulphurs depending on region?
What about northeast vs southeast (i.e. Penns vs Smokies)?

Almost all of my experience "out west" was on Colorado and New Mexico
tailwaters and I rarely used anything bigger than an 18 except for the
Mother's day Caddis hatch on the Arkansas. On which I used the same ehc and
pupae patterns I started fishing TVA tailwaters 15 years ago.

Last year I had a meeting in Idaho and stayed over a few days to see Glacier
and I hired a guide in Idaho. My terrestials that I used in Michigan and the
Smokys worked just fine in Montana. But on the guide trip we got into a
hatch of PMD's. We (I) weren't getting any hookups on top with the guide's
PMD imitation. To his chagrin, I clipped off his imitation and tied my own,
which is a farily common Michigan pattern, and proceeded to get 4 or 5
hookups in the next six casts and it worked the rest of the day. Supposedly
he was going to tie some up that night for his clients the next day but I
never found it out. FWIW, his patterns were some foam and rubber things
while mine was made of hair, feathers, and fur the way God intended g.

Except for size and species dispersion (no hexagenia in the Smokys) I use
the same flies in Michigan and Wisconsin as I do in TN, NC, and GA.

My experiences anyway.

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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"Danl" danlfinn@*remove this*intergate.com wrote in message
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Except for size and species dispersion (no hexagenia in the Smokys) I use
the same flies in Michigan and Wisconsin as I do in TN, NC, and GA.

My experiences anyway.

So, care to share your pattern recipes? I'd be beholden to you.

Danl

"Danl" danlfinn@*remove this*intergate.com wrote in message
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So, care to share your pattern recipes? I'd be beholden to you.

All of them, are specific patterns? I don't think I tie anything *special*
except I am a clumsy oaf with my fingers and often use elk, moose, or deer
hairs instead of feathers for tail materials when the recipe calls for
sparce or split tails.

Ya know now that I think about it there was one year that the orange
did work better than the yellowish.....could it have been the
diet.......Maybe the flood stirred up something that changed the color
a bit.... of course I am just guessing only the sulfur knows for
sure......But the yellow worked better on fishing creek than the
orange right frankie stan jim and anyone else that went with me that
year.....



The Handy One

Danl wrote:

For those that may have fished eastern and western streams, do you use
markedly different patterns for PMDs and/or sulphurs depending on region?
What about northeast vs southeast (i.e. Penns vs Smokies)?

Danl


in the smokies, they'll eat anything...even the things i tie. at penns,
you better get the sulphurs' eyelashes and anal orifices tied exactly
right.

hth g

jeff

"jeff" wrote in message
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at penns, you better get the sulphurs' eyelashes and anal orifices tied
exactly right.

hth g

jeff

with all due respect to Jeff and Mike M, I am still not sure about what they
say. My experience is that the attitude of the fly is FAR more important
than color details here in PA. I have used the same sulfur pattern sets for
both Penns and BFC, for instance, for the past decade or so.
In my experience, first and foremost the fly has to come right down the
proper lane on both waters to have a chance. In BFC, flush floaters like
parachutes and soft hackles work best, but not so necessary on Penns. Penns
fish do have a soft spot for CDC and snowshoe emergers on the flatter
stretches, however. Having said this, I have failed enough during sulfur
hatches at both places to remain humble and thus unsure of any
pronouncements. Most especially, I and others fail frequently by overlooking
fallen spinners when duns are hatching. Given that at least 3 and possibly 4
species of flies get lumped into the hatch called "sulfurs", choosing the
proper size,color and stage of the hatch are all contributing factors to
success, but I would place color at the rear of the pecking order.
Tom