Leaders with least memory? (Also, wallet suggestion?)

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:48:42 -0700, Mike
wrote:

On 18 Sep, 19:27, Mike wrote:
Also, practically any other nylon will work just as well if it is de-
glinted and is not completely clear. ( or some ridiculous colour like
fluorescent yellow or red etc) I dyed some nylon blue, and de-glinted
it with Fuller´s earth, and it worked just as well as the maxima. But
the maxima saves me messing about like that. It is already dyed and de-
glinted.

TL
MC

If anybody would like to try this, just place a spool of nylon in cold
tea, or the infusion from a good number of onion skins. It certainly
is less visible to human eyes then, and in certain water conditions,
is doubtless also less visible to the fish. When also de-glinted, it
seems as good as the maxima.

Dickie boy, you might like to try the following;

Fill a bath with water, float some nylon on the water, after you have
removed it from your living room ceiling, you may also tie a pencil to
it if you wish, and then immerse your head in the bath for twenty
minutes or so to observe the results. Come back and tell us how it
worked.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Gee, for a guy who killfiled most of ROFF, you sure seem to know what
was posted...

Hee-hee-hee,
Dickie boy

On 18 Sep, 20:45, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:48:42 -0700, Mike
wrote:



On 18 Sep, 19:27, Mike wrote:
Also, practically any other nylon will work just as well if it is de-
glinted and is not completely clear. ( or some ridiculous colour like
fluorescent yellow or red etc) I dyed some nylon blue, and de-glinted
it with Fuller´s earth, and it worked just as well as the maxima. But
the maxima saves me messing about like that. It is already dyed and de-
glinted.

TL
MC

If anybody would like to try this, just place a spool of nylon in cold
tea, or the infusion from a good number of onion skins. It certainly
is less visible to human eyes then, and in certain water conditions,
is doubtless also less visible to the fish. When also de-glinted, it
seems as good as the maxima.

Dickie boy, you might like to try the following;

Fill a bath with water, float some nylon on the water, after you have
removed it from your living room ceiling, you may also tie a pencil to
it if you wish, and then immerse your head in the bath for twenty
minutes or so to observe the results. Come back and tell us how it
worked.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Gee, for a guy who killfiled most of ROFF, you sure seem to know what
was posted...

Hee-hee-hee,
Dickie boy

Unfortunately Dickie boy, the kill file only works when I use an
external mail program to view ROFF. When I use Google groups direct,
there does not appear to be any provision for a kill file, which means
I am sadly obliged to view your twaddle anyway.

I am sure this is upsetting for you.

Might I also take the liberty of reminding you that the subject under
discussion is "leaders". So perhaps you could go back to telling us
how you festoon them around your house on nails driven into the
ceiling, or similar abstruse ideas. Perhaps you could send us a photo?
It is exceedingly doubtful that anybody will actually do it, but it
has a rather compelling, albeit very weird, charm, hearing that you do
it. Assuming you actually do it of course, and are not just lying
again.

MC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:57:14 -0700, Mike
wrote:

On 18 Sep, 20:45, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:48:42 -0700, Mike
wrote:



On 18 Sep, 19:27, Mike wrote:
Also, practically any other nylon will work just as well if it is de-
glinted and is not completely clear. ( or some ridiculous colour like
fluorescent yellow or red etc) I dyed some nylon blue, and de-glinted
it with Fuller´s earth, and it worked just as well as the maxima. But
the maxima saves me messing about like that. It is already dyed and de-
glinted.

TL
MC

If anybody would like to try this, just place a spool of nylon in cold
tea, or the infusion from a good number of onion skins. It certainly
is less visible to human eyes then, and in certain water conditions,
is doubtless also less visible to the fish. When also de-glinted, it
seems as good as the maxima.

Dickie boy, you might like to try the following;

Fill a bath with water, float some nylon on the water, after you have
removed it from your living room ceiling, you may also tie a pencil to
it if you wish, and then immerse your head in the bath for twenty
minutes or so to observe the results. Come back and tell us how it
worked.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Gee, for a guy who killfiled most of ROFF, you sure seem to know what
was posted...

Hee-hee-hee,
Dickie boy

Unfortunately Dickie boy, the kill file only works when I use an
external mail program to view ROFF. When I use Google groups direct,
there does not appear to be any provision for a kill file, which means
I am sadly obliged to view your twaddle anyway.

I am sure this is upsetting for you.

Might I also take the liberty of reminding you that the subject under
discussion is "leaders". So perhaps you could go back to telling us
how you festoon them around your house on nails driven into the
ceiling, or similar abstruse ideas. Perhaps you could send us a photo?
It is exceedingly doubtful that anybody will actually do it, but it
has a rather compelling, albeit very weird, charm, hearing that you do
it. Assuming you actually do it of course, and are not just lying
again.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

You're "obliged" by Google, huh? Maybe you ought to get your solicitor,
the FBI, and the Chamber of Commerce working on that...

You have the self-control of a four year old child...

Dickie boy

On 18 Sep, 21:05, wrote:


You have the self-control of a four year old child...

Dickie boy

Which is a great deal more than can be said for you. Atrocious manners
as well. You are wasting your time Dickie boy, I have decided not to
let myself be provoked by you, and there is nothing you can do about
it. It makes no difference to me what you write here, you have already
provided ample proof that most of it is nonsense, and it is quite
obvious that nobody takes it seriously.

I will simply continue to answer any questions on fly-fishing I feel
qualified to comment on, and you can simply continue posting abuse and
nonsense.

Nobody cares Dickie boy.

MC

A whole bunch of useless info snipped for brevity.

Short version:

If you use a leading manufacturer of leaders and tippets, you need not
worry about anything. A little heat from your fingers to straighten
the leader so that you can use it. Shadows in lighted glasses? Duh!
How's come all of us are so successful catching fish on dry flies?
Took some big brookies and landlocks just a couple of days ago on
gasp leaders with gasp shadows. I've had shadows for 70 years
now. Doesn't seem to hurt my fishing. Of course if you put a fish in
a glass, shine a light on him and THEN try to catch him, well, the
shadows are gonna scare the poor creature.

OP: Continue to use Orvis leaders and tippet. Straighten the leadear
with heat from your hands. Too hot? If it's too hot for your hands,
it's too hot for the leader. Don't use a leader straightener because
you can not feel the heat. Carry ONE spare leader in your vest.
Problem solved.

Dave
PS: Listen to what Fortenberry, Richard, and George have said. They
fish regularly and do not need to google for answers. AND, they catch
fish, as I do, REGULARLY! d;o)

On 18 Sep, 21:47, Dave LaCourse wrote:
A whole bunch of useless info snipped for brevity.


Brevity would be better served if you refrained from posting at all.
people who ask these questions want information on how to solve their
problems, not your constantly regurgitated "wisdom" on the matter.

If people listened to Dickie boy, and festooned their ceilings with
nylon, then they wouldn´t catch any more fish, and people would think
they are completely nuts.

If people could afford, like you, to go and fish at expensive resorts
teeming with fish, which are obviously easy to catch, as otherwise you
wouldn´t catch any, being as stupid as you obviously are, then they
would doubtless also not care much about a twisted leader or similar.
They would just spend more money.

I don´t really know why you keep on posting this ****, it serves no
useful purpose, and just makes people think you are stupid. It makes
no difference whatsoever to me, or to the people who actually take my
advice.

MC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:03:53 -0700, Mike
wrote:

On 18 Sep, 21:47, Dave LaCourse wrote:
A whole bunch of useless info snipped for brevity.


Brevity would be better served if you refrained from posting at all.
people who ask these questions want information on how to solve their
problems, not your constantly regurgitated "wisdom" on the matter.

Hey, I thought you were ignoring me. Twist.... tweek... push...
pull... watch the monkey jump up and talk more rubbish. d;o)

If people listened to Dickie boy, and festooned their ceilings with
nylon, then they wouldn´t catch any more fish, and people would think
they are completely nuts.

Actually his storage advise is very good. Don't store them coiled -
straighten them and store them that way. I think his advice very
good. And, he didn't google for it. d;o)

If people could afford, like you, to go and fish at expensive resorts
teeming with fish, which are obviously easy to catch, as otherwise you
wouldn´t catch any, being as stupid as you obviously are, then they
would doubtless also not care much about a twisted leader or similar.
They would just spend more money.

Man, Mike, you certainly do assume a helluva lot. Just because I have
money doesn't mean I spend it foolishly. I fish the Rapid River and
other wild rivers in Maine. They are open to the public and the fish
are difficult to catch. I have seen some outstanding fly fishers get
skunked on that river simply because they didn't know what, how, and
when. It is not about money, Mike; it is about experience - getting
out of the house and FISHING, not sitting by your computer googling.
d;o)

I don´t really know why you keep on posting this ****, it serves no
useful purpose, and just makes people think you are stupid. It makes
no difference whatsoever to me, or to the people who actually take my
advice.

MC

Mike, you are ill. Seriously ill. The adivce given by Fortenberry,
George, Richard and me is spot on with no bull**** involved. The OP
should continue with the leaders he has always used, straighten them
with his fingers, and forget about a leader wallet. Simple, down to
earth advice. No lights. No glasses. No shadows. No bull****.
Simple I-know-it-works-because-I-fish-and-catch-fish advice. Simple.

Davie Boy or as you like to say Lacourse sic

d;o)

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:24:40 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .


Don't store your leaders coiled. Put a couple of wire nails about 10-12
feet/3-4m apart in a climate-controlled room and use plastic coated
paperclips and rubber bands to store them.

Well, sure, that's good enough as far as it goes.......but what about
stopping neutrinos?

Wolfgang
who knows that one ignores entropy at one's peril.



I don't know about neutrinos but one of the guys on the WI MB just
emailed me asking for your leader formula Wolf. It was Jeremy, the
Brit. He tried one at Avalanche a few years ago and they impressed
him. He says that he's approaching perfection and they just might push
him over the edge.

g.c.

On 18 Sep, 22:31, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:03:53 -0700, Mike
wrote:

On 18 Sep, 21:47, Dave LaCourse wrote:
A whole bunch of useless info snipped for brevity.

Brevity would be better served if you refrained from posting at all.
people who ask these questions want information on how to solve their
problems, not your constantly regurgitated "wisdom" on the matter.

Hey, I thought you were ignoring me. Twist.... tweek... push...
pull... watch the monkey jump up and talk more rubbish. d;o)

If people listened to Dickie boy, and festooned their ceilings with
nylon, then they wouldn´t catch any more fish, and people would think
they are completely nuts.

Actually his storage advise is very good. Don't store them coiled -
straighten them and store them that way. I think his advice very
good. And, he didn't google for it. d;o)

If people could afford, like you, to go and fish at expensive resorts
teeming with fish, which are obviously easy to catch, as otherwise you
wouldn´t catch any, being as stupid as you obviously are, then they
would doubtless also not care much about a twisted leader or similar.
They would just spend more money.

Man, Mike, you certainly do assume a helluva lot. Just because I have
money doesn't mean I spend it foolishly. I fish the Rapid River and
other wild rivers in Maine. They are open to the public and the fish
are difficult to catch. I have seen some outstanding fly fishers get
skunked on that river simply because they didn't know what, how, and
when. It is not about money, Mike; it is about experience - getting
out of the house and FISHING, not sitting by your computer googling.
d;o)

I don´t really know why you keep on posting this ****, it serves no
useful purpose, and just makes people think you are stupid. It makes
no difference whatsoever to me, or to the people who actually take my
advice.

MC

Mike, you are ill. Seriously ill. The adivce given by Fortenberry,
George, Richard and me is spot on with no bull**** involved. The OP
should continue with the leaders he has always used, straighten them
with his fingers, and forget about a leader wallet. Simple, down to
earth advice. No lights. No glasses. No shadows. No bull****.
Simple I-know-it-works-because-I-fish-and-catch-fish advice. Simple.

Davie Boy or as you like to say Lacourse sic

d;o)

You wont find any of the leader information I posted on Google Davie
boy. Your constant and extremely stupid repetitions are very boring as
well. I am not only as healthy as a horse, both physically and
mentally, but I simply know more about fly-fishing than you do, and
most people here know it. It makes no difference how much you rant
and wish it were otherwise, it is simply fact.

MC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:25:19 -0700, Mike
wrote:

You wont find any of the leader information I posted on Google Davie
boy. Your constant and extremely stupid repetitions are very boring as
well. I am not only as healthy as a horse, both physically and
mentally, but I simply know more about fly-fishing than you do, and
most people here know it. It makes no difference how much you rant
and wish it were otherwise, it is simply fact.

And yet..... you don't fish for fresh water fish like we do here in
the States. No brookies. No rainbows. No landlocked salmon. No
chinook or cohos. WE fish, Mike. You may THINK you know more than
anyone (except, of course, the departed George Gehrke who forgot more
than you will ever know). You talk and talk and talk from atop your
pompous pony, but you have no emperical evidence to back up your talk.
Just google it and it is the truth. I fish a 100 days a year for cold
water species including stripers. We here in the states, we roffians,
FISH. We don't talk about it or have to google anything. We have the
experience, knowledge, and most importantly *empirical evidence*.
These people of roff who give advice have fished Montana, Idaho, BC,
Ontario, Quebec, Alaska, Labrador, Russia, Washington, Oregon, New
Mexico, North Carolina, Maine, the streams of the Great Lakes in both
Canada and the States, Chile, Patagonia, and the salt from Maine to
Panama. And, furthermore, they have done so *successfully*. Where
have you fished recently? Do you sit atop your pompous pony when you
fish?

Yeah, we're pricks. We give some people a hard time, especially the
pompous assholes. But ask a legitimate question on roff and one of us
will have DONE it.

Gehrke knew more than you will ever know about fly fishing, and he
didn't learn it from reading a google site; he learned it by DOING it.
Perhaps that is what you need to do, Mike. Or stick to what you know
- making rods and tying flies. And googling of course.

The advice to the OP on the leader is simply this: Continue to use
Orvis leaders. They are very good. Straighten them as best you can
with your hands so that you can feel the heat. Heat from a leader
straightener can damage the material. Store one spare leader in your
vest - a leader wallet is unnecessary. Simple, Mike. No bull****
about shadows, lights in glass, leader material in a glass of water.
In short, empirical evidence by those who have fished with Orvis
leaders and know of what they speak.

Google google.

Davie San/Boy/whatever