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wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
... � Ken, what kind of
dog? �I field trial/hunt pointing dogs and spaniels. �And I've hunted
Labs. �Let me know and I'll recommend something. �You can email me at

Hey Harry, you old Buckeye. Long time no see.

The new pup is a yellow Lab. I'm going to train her for upland
work first then water retrieving later.

Well, if you're going to use her like a spaniel, train her like one.
Three commands are basic: come, heel and hup. BTW, hup means sit.
Training to the whistle helps too. There are a couple of books that
you might look at: "Working Springers and Cockers" by Mike Smith, "The
Working Springer Spaniel" by Keith Erladnson, "Training Spaniels" by
Joe Irving, "Training the Rough Shooting Dog" by PRA Maxon etc. Dunno
if any of 'em are in the U of I library but they can all be ILLed as
I'm sure you know.

Thanks Harry. Yeah, I'm hoping I can do an adequate job of training
her to do both. She's smart, willing and able, the only possible
obstacle is my own ignorance. We'll see.

Nice win bY U of I yesterday. "Oski-wah-wah" as my wife says. That
Juice guy is the best QB in the Big 10 IMO. And my new favorite
single malt is Talisker's '92 Distillers Edition. Try it (if you
haven't) you'll like it. :-) Just a touch of sherry smooths out the
Talisker.

Too close for comfort yesterday. I don't know how many times I want
a freshman kicking a 46 yard field goal in the closing seconds. Whew,
and yeah, OSKEE WOW WOW !!

I notice you weren't around last year when the Illini went into the
horseshoe and spanked Buckeye butt, however when the Buckeyes are
clear favorites this year you reappear on roff. Coincidence ? I
don't think so. ;-)

I've had Talisker but not that particular release. I'm still partial
to my Laphroaig and Lagavulin.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Larry L wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote
The new pup is a yellow Lab. I'm going to train her for upland
work first then water retrieving later.

Ken, I don't really have a book suggestion

Mostly deciding what you really want ( in detail ) is the hard part ... the
rest is just common sense and some creativity ( I've trained hundreds and no
two exactly the same way ... the curriculum remains the same, the methods
vary, like all good teaching G)

One thing to ponder

What separates a good hunting dog from a great one ... you've already
(hopefully ) taken care of ... the desire that came from mom and dad ( not
to fuel the $1500 dog wars again, but all dogs are NOT created equal ;-)
The dogs that will grow into one that will challenge the berry vines to
pursue a bird are born with that potential, it's not a man made thing past
the decision of who to breed to whom ... no amount of 'training' wan put
that desire into one when it's lacking.

BUT, what separates the good hunting dog from the useless or worse ... is
discipline ... In other words a dog that comes when called, regardless,
sits when told, regardless, etc etc ... can be great IF he got the right
genes and will be at least good. But one with the right genes, or not,
that doesn't have that control will be a PIA Concentrate early work on
the control, cause if she has the right stuff she'll get out of control easy
when her hunting genes kick in ... in other words, hunting her until you
can't catch here and are one of the guys shouting, "Here, Here, Here you
****ing bitch." and THEN working on control is the wrong order ... start
with control, and as she builds maintain it ... IT will pay off in pleasure.

FWIW, ..... IF you are a serious waterfowler ... the above order is likely
fraught with hazard ... what a dock dog does ( besides the basically
natural ) requires lots of discipline ... . what a pheasant does is mainly
run around doing what he wants g My experience is that a dog refined
to the level of pleasant in a duck blind is easy to make into a controlled
upland dog, whereas the reverse is less true. But, if upland is your major
interest, the dog is a tool, like a fly rod and should be designed for
your main purposes and compromised for lesser ones.

P.S. teaching a dog to sit on a whistle is a great thing ... regardless of
whether you intend to handle ( hand signals ) her. In pheasant hunting
blowing a sit whistle ( if dog understand what 'must' means ;-) is a great
way to slow a dog on a trail down so you can safely keep up without pulling
him off that trail ( as calling him would ) .... whistle sit isn't normally
thought of as standard in upland hunting, but, trust me, it's a great tool
( blow it at flush and before you know it you'll have a sit to flush dog,
too )

Thanks Larry, excellent advice all the way around. Living where I
live I'm necessarily a frequent upland hunter and just an occasional
waterfowler. I can hunt pheasant minutes from my front door, I have
to travel quite a ways to hunt geese and ducks.

Thanks again.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Oct 31, 11:03*pm, "Larry L" wrote:
Please reply ( to the whole group *) ONE time to this post if you read it
... a blank reply is fine

I'm simply curious how many people might still actually be here ... since
only about 8 every post anything

use an alias if you don't want anyone to know you're here G

I still look in and read occasional posts.

On Nov 1, 7:26*am, rw wrote:
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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Nov 1, 9:20*pm, Kevin Vang wrote:
In article ,
says...

The new pup is a yellow Lab. I'm going to train her for upland
work first then water retrieving later.

My dad is visiting from MT this weekend for some pheasant hunting.
My yellow lab Chloe is an OK pheasant dog (and would be a lot better
if I got her out hunting more often.) *My dad, being retired and all,
goes out hunting twice a week for 4 months out of the year, and his
black lab Flicka is a PHENOMENAL pheasant hunter. *We went out today
and got two limits of roosters. *Flicka found most of them and
retrieved all of them. *Chloe, I think, decided to loaf through the
day on the assumption that Flicka had everything covered.

Oh, and Larry, here.

K

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Kevin Vang
reply to kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

kevin, god, send me pheasant. i love it, and only have hunted
for them on a couple of occasions.

oh, and about roff: i usually post if there are no really neat
sasquatch tv commercials to watch. or if my girlfriend's boobs fall
off.

yfitons
wayno

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oh, and about roff: i usually post if there are no really neat
sasquatch tv commercials to watch. or if my girlfriend's boobs fall
off.

SPLORK VANG MU! Another keyboard bites the dust.
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TL,
Tim
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wrote:
...
oh, and about roff: i usually post if there are no really neat
sasquatch tv commercials to watch. or if my girlfriend's boobs fall
off.

Whoa, I sincerely hope the occasion of this post can be attributed
to a dearth of TV commercials and not the alternative.

ylsitlol

--
Ken Fortenberry

In article 4213fae1-3d68-458a-9215-2e62e9bedfa8
@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com, says...
kevin, god, send me pheasant. i love it, and only have hunted
for them on a couple of occasions.



Come on out. We actually missed a few of them today.

We went out again today and got two more limits. One thing I didn't
say earlier, Flicka is a pointing lab. My dad's old dog did some
pointing, rather unexpectedly, actually, but dad decided he kinda
liked it. So when the time came to get a new pup, he bought one
from a line of pointing labs. Today, after hunting with Flicka
for two days, suddenly started pointing birds too. I told Dad his
dog was teaching my dog her bad habits.

--
Kevin Vang
reply to kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

On Oct 31, 2:03*pm, "Larry L" wrote:

Toll me.

Dave Snedeker the Wise

On 31 Okt, 23:03, "Larry L" wrote:
Please reply ( to the whole group *) ONE time to this post if you read it
... a blank reply is fine

I'm simply curious how many people might still actually be here ... since
only about 8 every post anything

use an alias if you don't want anyone to know you're here G

Lurking in Lapland!
Occasionally visiting ROFF.

/Roger