No fish

On Sep 13, 12:58*pm, Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd wrote:

... A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. *... snip
May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
snip
Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? ...

Classic racist drivel. Everybody knows da brothers love da
white hoes and everybody knows da white hoes want to get
it on with da brothers.

Oh now I am a racist. *I was speaking of one man's behavior.
Not a group. *What is with you and the slurs and name calling?
I believe that all humanity is made in God's image
and likeness. *So nice try.

You also missed the point. *Listen to Reverend King's (oh, yes
he was a Christian minister) words. *Judge people by their
character not their skin color. *That I do not agree with
some of the Reverend moral shortcomings, DOES NOT DIMINISH
HIS WORDS.

The same applies to Rush. *Debate him on his words.
Drop the smears and name calling. *Keep it in the arena
of ideas.

By the way, I did check out your link. *It did seem
interesting.

If you want Liberal opinion without all the name
calling, check out the New Republic's web site:http://www.tnr.com/
They have a long reputation of keeping it in the arena
of ideas. *No Air America stuff at this site.

And, the same on Conservative side:http://www.nationalreview.com/
They have the same reputation. *Or, if you don't have
a lot of time, listen to Rush.

Todd, in the short time you've been fouling roff with your
hate-filled ignorance you have proven yourself to be a proud
card-carrying member of the American Taliban. Jesus would
take one short look at an allegedly christian creep like you
and puke all over his Birkenstocks.

Hmmm, "hate-filled ignorance", "American Taliban", "christian
creep". *Sticks and stones. *"Birkenstocks!!!!" *Oh now
that is below the belt! *:-)

Ken, in the short time I have known you, I have approached
you with respect and friendship. *You have responded
with profanity, name called, and slurs. *Your behavior
has been reprehensible. *Worst part of all this is that
you have lost a potential friend. *And, I make a very
good friend.

-T

Hey Todd, Here is another suggestion since you are not biting on the
sandwich and fave beverage idea.

See Beancounter's thread? Up to 402 now. He gets to post his whackjob
hate Obama stuff there and folks get to read it or not. He posts non-
political stuff elsewhere and no one gives him much **** there. Obama
hate posts outside his Obama Hate thread gets some bite-back.
Accomodation. Result: Fellowship still possible among people who
disagree on lots of stuff.

You could get something like that working for you. Maybe something
like a "Rush, Jesus and Todd" thread where mostly you get to share
your mishmash. Then you could restrain working the Rush and Jesus into
your posts on the other threads, let folks get to know you, experience
more of the rough and tumble of ROFFIAN "debate" and maybe even share
some fishing face times, which is one of the best parts of ROFF.

You might find that there are more than a few real conservatives and
Jesusites on ROFF, and you would certainly find yourself less a target
for bitebacks.

Dave

Todd wrote:

Or, if you don't have
a lot of time, listen to Rush.


most thinking people who don't have a lot of time have more time for
root canals, colonoscopies, endoscopies, tatoos, and some of the unusual
body-piercings enjoyed by karl rove's daddy than they have for anything
limbaugh. the pain and discomfort is significantly less.

And, I make a very
good friend.


you've a friend in jesus...why look elsewhere todd? ...

i've found that this place, with all its flaws and brute smacks, can
yield some very good friendships and fishing adventures. why not leave
jesus and limbaugh where they can serve your cause better? if you are
here just to profess and witness and ditto...well, you might want to
keep your vaseline and a helmet handy. it's gonna be a rough and
unpleasant time. of course, it's entirely your choice. there's grace and
damnation aplenty whichever way you go...

jeff

Ken Fortenberry wrote:



Todd, I wouldn't cross the street to **** down your throat if
your stomach were on fire. You are an ignorant and dangerous
moron and I am appalled that we live in the same country.


well todd...i think you and ken are beginning to warm to one another. at
least it seems he's taking a more moderate approach in your roff
relationship. given some time, i'm sure y'all will be sharing fishing
stories. ...but...uh...don't mention fawn lake....

jeff

Okay Todd. I'm a Democrat that listens to Rush. This work for you?
Things in the last two weeks that he has spouted that are totally
wrong that I've heard. (not a complete laundry list, just a couple of
things I heard whilst driving)
Clinton cowardly pulled us out of the Philippines. Check it out, the
Philippine government blackmailed us and quadrupled the amount of
money they wanted so that we could keep our bases there. Our carriers
would do the job for a cheaper price. With everyone in the military
saying get us out, we left.
Government workers don't don't pay into Social Security - Oh, come on
now, you know how many times I've heard this from Rush, Glenn Beck and
Savage? Yes we do. He confuses Senators with the rest of the
government workers.
I only get a little Rush Limbaugh (about 1/2 hour in two weeks) time
during my work week because I'm WORKING during this time period. I
put Rush right up there with "The View." Its self-admitted
entertainment with a political message. By the way, Star Trek and
Leave It to Beaver aren't real either. As Rush himself says, check
your facts. I do. I don't slavishly hold to one view or another. If
someone in the media says something I feel reflects upon my view, I
look it up in the public record. And oh, by the way, I signed my name
on the dotted line saying that I would die to preserve the separation
of church and state as our founding fathers wished, so keep religion
out of political arguments.
Frank Reid

DaveS wrote:

No, I don't have a permanent problem with folks who only have
different political views than mine, IF I KNOW THAT THEY ARE OTHERWISE
DECENT CONRIBUTERS TO MY COUNTRY AND THE OTHER THINGS I CARE ABOUT. I
have a deepening problem with you very specifically because of your
racist and fanatical hate statements, which you wrap in Jesus talk,
like you had it on his authority. And how you couple the Jesus stuff,
with your slothful and slavish Rush worship I find disgusting and
hypocritical. You need to earn some creditability before you go
telling others on a recreational group how they should access YOUR
notion of Jesus. Want some respect? Lets hear what you personally are
doing to clean up corruption and abuse in your own sect. What have you
done to make whole the people you have wronged in your life? Until you
have that creditability it is pure vainity to go preaching to others
without a major dose of humility. If you want to be a missionary get
some training and some attitude adjustment, or mostly you will just
**** people off.

Dave
Stop idolizing scumbags like Rush, and you just might have time to
read and talk to Muslims, Jews and Catholics and clear some of the
hate from your mind.


Dave,

You are just being mean. You are also slurring me. And,
you have some rather strange, preconceived ideas of others.
How would you like it if I pulled a bunch of the meanest insults I
could think of out of the air and flung them at you. "Okay,
you are a [insert the meanest insult you can think of here],
now defend yourself." You would not care for it.

Be respectful. Keep it to the arena of ideas. People
will mostly listen to you. Slur folks who don't
agree with you and they will just think you are
closed minded and mean spirited.

-T

Frank Reid wrote:
Okay Todd. I'm a Democrat that listens to Rush. This work for you?
Things in the last two weeks that he has spouted that are totally
wrong that I've heard. (not a complete laundry list, just a couple of
things I heard whilst driving)
Clinton cowardly pulled us out of the Philippines. Check it out, the
Philippine government blackmailed us and quadrupled the amount of
money they wanted so that we could keep our bases there. Our carriers
would do the job for a cheaper price. With everyone in the military
saying get us out, we left.
Government workers don't don't pay into Social Security - Oh, come on
now, you know how many times I've heard this from Rush, Glenn Beck and
Savage? Yes we do. He confuses Senators with the rest of the
government workers.
I only get a little Rush Limbaugh (about 1/2 hour in two weeks) time
during my work week because I'm WORKING during this time period. I
put Rush right up there with "The View." Its self-admitted
entertainment with a political message. By the way, Star Trek and
Leave It to Beaver aren't real either. As Rush himself says, check
your facts. I do. I don't slavishly hold to one view or another. If
someone in the media says something I feel reflects upon my view, I
look it up in the public record. And oh, by the way, I signed my name
on the dotted line saying that I would die to preserve the separation
of church and state as our founding fathers wished, so keep religion
out of political arguments.
Frank Reid



Hi Frank,

Now that's what a liberal sound like that actually
listens to Rush. Not a single remark about his anus.
He didn't call me a single name either. Even though
he is very displeased with Rush, he kept it to the
area of ideas.

To respectfully disagree with you, there is no
separation of church and state in the constitution. That
was a creation of the supreme court in the 19 century.
Thomas Jefferson did make a remark about it in one of
his writing. The constitution bars the establishment
of a state religion. The supreme court even has a
copy of the ten commandments on the front of its
building.

When I got the racism insult flung at me, I though
everyone should know my moral beliefs actually were.

I did not know that about that the PI. Thank you.
See, he was respectful and I actually listen to him.

Thank you for signing on the dotted line. So did I.

-T

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wow. Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi.

And it seems to me you didn't bother to deny any part of
the characterization. Hits pretty close, eh ?

Actually, I though he was just flinging insults because
he could not form an argument.


Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared.

That's a lie. And a smear. Many here have had substantive
disagreements and arguments with Dave and, when appropriate,
Dave is always respectful of opposing views.

I stand corrected. You pick and choose who you
insult. My apologies.

snip
Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

One cannot "debate" with someone who is intellectually unable
to articulate and defend a coherent argument. Your problem Todd
is that you believe your regurgitating Limbaugh deserves all the
respect accorded reasoned discourse simply because you believe it.
Sorry dude, you're woefully ignorant and your arguments do not
deserve consideration, respect or debate.

What is with you and the insults?


Haven't you ever wondered why Limbaugh never appears on the Sunday
morning talking head shows ? You know, those roundtables where the
liberal Paul Krugman openly laughs at the economic naivete' of the
conservative George Will ?

If you had listened to Rush, he would have told you why. He
mentions it about once a week. The reason I do not believe
you listen to Rush is that you can only fling insults at
him and not argue in the arena if ideas.


You pray about that Todd and see what Jesus tells you. LOL !!


Jesus said those that hate him will hate you too. Just
the way things are.

-T

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

So what's with "white hookers" ? If Martin Luther King Jr.
had "a thing" for hookers what possible difference could it
make to a decent christian like you if she's white ? Yeah,
that righteous indignation **** ain't gonna fly, Todd. One
doesn't need a good nose to smell the racism in your posts,
they absolutely reek of it.

That was just an unfortunate moral short coming of his.
Look it up. This is one man I am talking about,
not a race. A Christian man that I highly admire
by the way.

You complete missed the point. Reverend King's words
strike a moral cord. I used Reverend King as an example
of someone that liberals like. And as a Christian,
that makes the Reverend King my spiritual brother.
So bugger off on the racism slurs.

So if you are still missing the point, listen to
the words and do not trash those words because
of a short coming in the personal life.

Ken, in the short time I have known you, I have approached
you with respect and friendship. You have responded
with profanity, name called, and slurs. Your behavior
has been reprehensible. Worst part of all this is that
you have lost a potential friend. And, I make a very
good friend.

Todd, I wouldn't cross the street to **** down your throat if
your stomach were on fire. You are an ignorant and dangerous
moron and I am appalled that we live in the same country.


Oh that is real cleaver.

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
One cannot "debate" with someone who is intellectually unable
to articulate and defend a coherent argument. Your problem Todd
is that you believe your regurgitating Limbaugh deserves all the
respect accorded reasoned discourse simply because you believe it.
Sorry dude, you're woefully ignorant and your arguments do not
deserve consideration, respect or debate.

What is with you and the insults?

Why do you want to insist that the honest truth is an insult ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd, I wouldn't cross the street to **** down your throat if
your stomach were on fire. You are an ignorant and dangerous
moron and I am appalled that we live in the same country.


This is a moral difference between us. I would put you out.
Regardless of how many insults or slurs you called me.
Though I would not **** on you.

-T