Really, guys, I'm trying to get on-board with Obama, but...

On Nov 1, 3:21*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
oh, and Forty........taking the word of 'practically every' economic
'expert' has cost some folks a lot of money over the past few years. Ask
Louie.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

See, it was just a matter of time till someone hit on the idea of
consulting a financial wizard.

g.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:57:04 -0500, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
The worldwide economy was snatched back from the brink of
almost certain disaster by Obama's team.

huh?? The worldwide economy?? Geez, Ken let's get the ideological blinders
off, and look at reality. If the 'worldwide economy' approached the 'brink
of almost certain disaster' at all(I suspect not), it was probably during
the fall of 2008. Bush's team sort of held their collective noses and
steered out of that mess, whether one agrees with the tactics or not. Obama
had not even won the damned election.

Uh-oh...

Now, and I suspect Rick will disagree with me here, I do feel that Obama's
team has taken steps to lessen the severity of the impact on the citizenry
of the US. As Biden stated last week, in 8 months we have gone from,"will
this be the next Great Depression" to "I wonder what shape the recovery will
take", and that is a positive thing.

No, I don't disagree, at least insofar as he and his team have done what many,
even most, pols do in such times - they scramble to lessen "today's impact" felt
by those who, they hope, will re-elect them. And FWIW, I tend to think Obama
personally wants to do a good job, both for his own interests as far as his
political career and the oft-talked-about "legacy" of the POTUS, but also in a
genuine spirit for the US as a whole as well. And I think that's true of most
all of the "modern" presidents, including GW Bush, Clinton, Nixon, and LBJ. My
sense, however, is that he was a little early in getting to the top and like
JFK, he simply doesn't have _any_ real-world experience in dealing with the
whole thing. Hopefully, his on-the-job training won't end too badly for the US
and its residents. And - just IMO from general info - Obama is fortunately free
of the large set of personal baggage that JFK carried, much of it very
distasteful. My sense is that at the end of the day, what with being a Chicago
pol and all, he's a pretty decent, grounded guy, of obvious intelligence, at
least on a personal level, and hopefully, that will win out. FWIW, I am as...
well, let's say "offended"...as his acolytes are by beanie and his ilk's use of
things like "comrade hussein" and "clown."

It always amuses me that any person or group assigns dramatic economic
impact to politicians. They, as Rick notes rightly, do affect trends, either
by actions or inactions, but far more complex and stronger forces are
generally at work. The role of politicians is to take the economic realities
they face and try and do the best for the society as a whole. Time will tell
if the Obama administration succeeds in that goal. So far, I'll give them
credit for intelligent thinking on the matter,

And here, I'll somewhat disagree. While they have _said_ some good things, they
have dropped some real clangers - the aforementioned Cash for Clunkers, the
$250.00 check to seniors (they didn't need a COL increase, so they got a little
side money....? WTF was THAT?!), supporting Corzine so heavily (they shoulda
stayed out of that and NY - WAY, WAY out...). He's just not ready for
prime-time. Will he be? As you and others have said, only time will tell.

but, as with so much of the
current scene, from the economy, to healthcare, to foreign affairs, any
person looking at things dispassionately has to say the jury is still out.
For example, today finds Hillary Clinton glowing over the remarkably
cooperative attitude of the Israeli government towards settlements in what
the Palistinians wish to be their homeland. Looks like the same-old same-old
that got us into a ****load of trouble to me.......

Hilary, Israel, Obama's team, and "Arabs" are a pretty dangerous mix...again,
about all that anyone can do now is hope for the best...and "hope" ain't looking
so good on that front at the moment...

TC,
R
Tom

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:10:08 -0800, "John B" wrote:


"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
Welcome to the real 1984 and Big Brother. The big O and his toadies
Pelosi
and Reid think that if they just say something enough, then it will be
true. The
problem is that so many clueless Americans worship this huckster and
actually
believe what he says, regardless of the truth. Jobs saved? That's just
pure
nonsense. And, he keeps prattling on about all the help for small
businesses.
Another load of crap. I have a small business and I can tell you that
there is
nothing for us.

And in keeping with that mind set, the superb communication skills...you
will always have a small business

Well, he will with appropriate stimulus...

HTH,
R
....yeah, probably not...


john

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:26:28 -0500, David LaCourse wrote:

On 2009-11-01 17:48:39 -0500, "Tom Littleton" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2009110116571416807-dplacourse@aolcom...

Yeah, Louie lost a lot of money snort, chortle in the past two years.
That's why he bought a beautiful winter mountain home in a gated
community. That's why he *finally* convinced his wife to retire at the
ripe old age of 54

so, I guess, after the gloom and doom you cited a few months ago, Obama
turned things around pretty good, huh? Thanks for the testimonial.
Tom

No testimonial for Obamanomics, Tom. There are lots of ways to make
money. The market is nowhere near where it was when the Dems took over
in 2007. Remember those halcyon days when the DOW was nearly at
14,000?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

And SNICKER, too...

You've GOT to be kidding...or drunk out of your mind on Rusty Trombones or
something...

I doubt this helps,
R

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
Welcome to the real 1984 and Big Brother. The big O and his toadies
Pelosi
and Reid think that if they just say something enough, then it will be
true. The
problem is that so many clueless Americans worship this huckster and
actually
believe what he says, regardless of the truth. Jobs saved? That's just
pure
nonsense. And, he keeps prattling on about all the help for small
businesses.
Another load of crap. I have a small business and I can tell you that
there is
nothing for us.

And in keeping with that mind set, the superb communication skills...you
will always have a small business


john

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:30:50 -0500, David LaCourse wrote:

On 2009-11-01 19:09:13 -0500, "Tom Littleton" said:


"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2009110118262875249-dplacourse@aolcom...
Then Pelosi, Reed, Bawney Fwank, and Chris Dodd took over. Market droped
50% in no time at all. And Obama has done nothing to get it back were it
was. Yea, it's up 2000 since the bottom dropped out in 07,

if you are under some sort of delusion that politicians drive the Dow Jones
index, it is indeed fortunate that you make any damned money off
investments.

Check out the history of the Dow, Tom. Dems spend money, tax people,
throw money around like drunken sailors, markets drop. Sometimes like
a stone.


Yeah. I have avoided it for 72 years. But not now. The more I see of
where we are going as a country, the more guns/ammo I buy. I'm old, Tom.
Only have a few years left. (I can still fish, however, and will until I
drop.)

I've seen you fish until you drop, and it isn't pretty.
Sad that you have given up on America like that. I hope I never go that
route.

I haven't given up on America, you twit. Where or where to you get
that idea, Tom?

But, in the meantime, a gated community makes
alot of sense when you have valuables in your winter home and you are not
there for 6 months out of the year. No way anyone could get to the home,
never mind breaking in and absconding with stuff. We are SAFE there.

I guess we aren't cursed with such a shifty crowd on the Virginia
shore.......

Huh? Virginia? Shore? Shifty crowd? What the hell are you talking
about. Ahhhh, you must have a second home on the VA shore, right? Duh
is me. Looked at some places in Delaware. Almost bought on the shore,
but the mountains and winter trout fishing won over.

FWIW, it's a beautiful home, and the fact that it is in a gated
community with swimming pool, tennis, gym, two small lakes, etc. is
only a plus. It would have to be gated to keep people out of the pool
and other facilities. No big deal, really. But, we feel safe there,
safer than here.

Dave

Um, ya know, something sounds a little, well, "off" here...hmm...AHA! Are you
sure it's gated to keep _them_ OUT and not _you_ IN...? I mean, some klutzy old
dude with an arsenal, designer rubber britches, and a tattoo of Bush on his
chest (right over his heart, God love him...), waving a Drambuie bottle and a
bank statement out of the sunroof of a German car with a US flag painted on the
hood and "**** Regular Unleaded" painted on the trunk, carrying around pictures
of Obama photoshopped into Che Karl Hitler might not be what the community in
general wants running around loose and all...

Again, I'm just sayin'...,
R
....wouldn't it have been simpler and cheaper to just put a little sign that
said, "No Solicitors, Democrats, or Burglars" in your yard and one that said
"White Republicans Only" at the pool...?

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:00:28 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Tom Littleton wrote:
oh, and Forty........taking the word of 'practically every' economic
'expert' has cost some folks a lot of money over the past few years. Ask
Louie.

In matters of economics who am I to believe, Tommy from
Pennsylvania or Paul Krugman, Nobel prize winning economist ?

Alan Greenspan...?

Hmmmmmm ... boy, that's a tough one ... ;-)

....and is that the same "Paul Krugman" dude that wrote this:

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...0257/index.htm

(and where, on the "job" inspiring the above, apparently, much like Timmy, he
isn't quite sure how much he made...)

or this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/09/op...er=rss&emc=rss

or this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/ma...gewanted=print

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tom Littleton wrote:
oh, and Forty........taking the word of 'practically every' economic
'expert' has cost some folks a lot of money over the past few years. Ask
Louie.
In matters of economics who am I to believe, Tommy from
Pennsylvania or Paul Krugman, Nobel prize winning economist ?
Hmmmmmm ... boy, that's a tough one ... ;-)

...and is that the same "Paul Krugman" dude that wrote this:
...
or this:
...
or this:
...

Did you Google those up all by yourself ? That is really
impressive. Good for you, I'm proud of you.

Your next lesson takes the process a step further and
involves trying to read for comprehension the articles
you Google up.

Good luck.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Nov 2, 5:05*am, wrote:

To repeat . . .

You guys pooped in your pants with war, war, kleptomania, stealing,
prostitutes, 23 right-wing Tories in jail or under indictment for
stealing and counting. torture and war profiteering, shooting one
another in the face, running the
country into the ditch, and pretending that you just loved the USA
while your heroes like Grover Norquist took big money from a Hamas and
Hezbollah operative now in prison.

People voted your guys out because your team could not manage their
way out of a paper bag, not a one of them had a kid at risk, and they
could not keep their hands out of the till, or their toes from a-
tappen in public restrooms.

Now your heckling is about all your impotent ideology has left in its
worn out Gucci bag.

Let's talk about something you might actually know about. How about
Abramoff (now in prison) and the Mississippi Casino money that funded
some of those Christian freako shenanigans, Delay's drunk and
prostitute money bag, etc Wasn't some of that dirty money laundered
thru Grover Norquist's Hamas and Hezbollah-loving consulting company?
You must have heard something on the whackjob/Tory street about the
Justice Department's investigations?

Dave

wrote in message
...
...wouldn't it have been simpler and cheaper to just put a little sign
that
said, "No Solicitors, Democrats, or Burglars" in your yard and one that
said
"White Republicans Only" at the pool...?

the pool sign should keep the interest down, by itself.
Tom