A lesson with Lefty

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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I don´t know what this "9´" means.

Did you see the diagram?


On a good day, with a special line, and a certain rod, I can roll cast 120
feet. I just don´t see where "nine feet" comes into it. It is intriuging
me. If I have (say) 12 feet of line in my ( slowly!) moving D loop, and
( in the case of a 50 foot cast), a further 38 feet of line on the water,
where does "nine feet" of anything come into it?

120' rollcast with a single handed rod??? Now that I would like to see or
even explained. Ok Mike, got you right where I want you. Explain how you
can rollcast 120' with a single handed flyrod? I assume you're into the
backing. Also let me know where all your line is.

Where is this níne feet?

See the diagram this time modified it so even an elementary school kid
could understand it.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/Rollcast3.jpg
-tom

"Tom Nakashima" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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120' rollcast with a single handed rod??? Now that I would like to see or
even explained. Ok Mike, got you right where I want you. Explain how you
can rollcast 120' with a single handed flyrod? I assume you're into the
backing. Also let me know where all your line is.



Where is this níne feet?

See the diagram this time modified it so even an elementary school kid
could understand it.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/Rollcast3.jpg
-tom


No, I am not into the backing, I told you I use a special line for this,
neither did I mention a single handed rod. The line is flying back into a
dynamic D loop, only the anchor is allowed to touch the water again at the
last split second before the cast is executed.

This cast also works with shooting heads, which it was originally designed
for. You can find a description of it here;
http://www.g-feuerstein.com/Werfen/t...and%20cast.htm

So you use a nine foot anchor. You might just have said so. Apart from
which, the length of the anchor is basically immaterial, as long as you have
an anchor, because in the roll cast you only cast the line in the loop, and
the rest is pulled along behind it.

What do you do when you want to cast 70 ft? The only alternatives are
either a dynamic roll, or a longer anchor. You can not hold 61 feet of line
in a static D loop.

TL
MC

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:51:30 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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I don´t know what this "9´" means.

Did you see the diagram?


On a good day, with a special line, and a certain rod, I can roll cast 120
feet. I just don´t see where "nine feet" comes into it. It is intriuging
me. If I have (say) 12 feet of line in my ( slowly!) moving D loop, and
( in the case of a 50 foot cast), a further 38 feet of line on the water,
where does "nine feet" of anything come into it?

120' rollcast with a single handed rod??? Now that I would like to see or
even explained. Ok Mike, got you right where I want you.

Um...you might want to reread and think about my (esp. those casting
v. fishing and, ahem, useless lines...hint, hint) and Mike's replies in
this thread, and if you don't anything about tournament casting, learn a
bit about it, before you declare who has who where.

As I've never personally witnessed Mike do what he said, I won't state
that _I know_ that he can do it, but I'd bet, under the conditions he
outlined, the odds are much greater that he can easily do it, and IAC, I
will state that it can be done.

TC,
R

You can find further info here;

http://www.letsflyfish.com/underhand_cast.htm

the current record for two handed fly is 97 metres, over 300 feet, so 120
feet is by no means remarkable, indeed, actually quite mediocre.

TL
MC

Also, using the right rod and line, it is possible to roll cast to 120 feet
with a single handed rod, without too much difficulty.

The current world record for single hand fly distance is held by a gentleman
from Poland with 72 metres, which is about 240 feet.

TL
MC

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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"Tom Nakashima" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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120' rollcast with a single handed rod??? Now that I would like to see
or even explained. Ok Mike, got you right where I want you. Explain how
you can rollcast 120' with a single handed flyrod? I assume you're into
the backing. Also let me know where all your line is.



Where is this níne feet?

See the diagram this time modified it so even an elementary school kid
could understand it.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/Rollcast3.jpg
-tom


No, I am not into the backing, I told you I use a special line for this,
neither did I mention a single handed rod. The line is flying back into a
dynamic D loop, only the anchor is allowed to touch the water again at the
last split second before the cast is executed.

Yes, I see that Mike and that's why I put a question mark there.
I can cast 120' very easily with a Spey Rod, most casters can do that.



This cast also works with shooting heads, which it was originally designed
for. You can find a description of it here;
http://www.g-feuerstein.com/Werfen/t...and%20cast.htm

Of course shooting heads, but the subject was with a single hand 9' fly-rod.
Let's stay with the subject.


So you use a nine foot anchor. You might just have said so. Apart from
which, the length of the anchor is basically immaterial, as long as you
have an anchor, because in the roll cast you only cast the line in the
loop, and the rest is pulled along behind it.

What do you do when you want to cast 70 ft? The only alternatives are
either a dynamic roll, or a longer anchor. You can not hold 61 feet of
line in a static D loop.

TL
MC

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Also, using the right rod and line, it is possible to roll cast to 120
feet with a single handed rod, without too much difficulty.

Yes, special lines and rods of course you can do it, but and the but is, can
you do it with a conventional 6 wtf line and a 2 or 4 pc conventional 9' 6wt
rod? On earth that is, not on the moon.



The current world record for single hand fly distance is held by a
gentleman from Poland with 72 metres, which is about 240 feet.

TL
MC

On 1/20/06 11:56 AM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:


Let's stay with the subject.

Spoil sport.

B

:-)

"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/Rollcast3.jpg

Nice drawing. But do you measure the cast from your feet to
your fly? In that case you only need 30' of line out of the
rod for a 50' cast? And why are you wearing a green jumpsuit?

Jon, I haven't done laundry this week yet, and if I drew myself naked it
might even confuse Mike more about the 9'


Your artistry inspired me, so I drew a picture of my most
difficult cast:

http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/Pics/threefootcast.jpg

;-) (don't worry, I'd only rib someone I like)

Jon.

"Tom Nakashima" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Also, using the right rod and line, it is possible to roll cast to 120
feet with a single handed rod, without too much difficulty.

Yes, special lines and rods of course you can do it, but and the but is,
can you do it with a conventional 6 wtf line and a 2 or 4 pc conventional
9' 6wt rod? On earth that is, not on the moon.


No.

There would be little point in using a WF line for distance roll casting in
any case. It wont work. One may only roll cast the head, without using
special tricks, like dynamic rolls, or the underhand cast already described.
It is also very difficult indeed to shoot much line into a standard roll
cast, although it can be done.

With a standard ninety foot DT, a 12 foot leader, and measuring from the
casters feet to the fly, it is possible to just reach 120 feet, roll casting
with a standard 9´rod, but you would probably need to use an #8 weight rod
at least, possibly overlined with a #9 or even #10 DT, and it is not easy.
The main problems being the speed of execution, and the power transfer along
the line.

Using a dynamic roll, a 35 foot head, and the appropriate shooting line, it
is not such a problem.

TL
MC