Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.

I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Roger,
You are mad and we did have a good time................

Some thoughts:
So far as I know, I'm up for any of the 3 with preferences pretty much in
the order you list them. I was thinking about a clave in the sand ridge
country this weekend. The only problem I see is that in august we might have
low water and small streams. Not really a problem of course but if you take
Harrejokk where Jarmo and I went - we had great fishing but it would have
been difficult to spread 8 or 10 guys out along that stream without
splitting into 2 or more groups, which might also work OK. There are plenty
of alternatives, such as the upper reaches of Taava atno where there are 3
streams and a few small lakes in walking distance. I have not fished there
but it would be very interesting to visit.....

The streams north of Rostujauvri (sorry I can not spell any of these names
correctly but you know where I mean) could be exciting as well. I would not
recommend dropping 8 or 10 guys on Rostaelva in august. Not enough fishing
for that group plus the others already there. We need one of the lesser know
areas and there are many other options, especially if we looked for
somewhere with a larger lake where we could also take float tubes........

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan



"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
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I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to
the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon
permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of
the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be
interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.


The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
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"riverman" wrote in message
...


I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to
the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon
permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps
at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of
the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams
drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be
interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.


The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Tempting.......
This would mean a Lapland clave where I would not be clavemeister (Finnish
Lapland).

However, If Jarmo doesn't jump at the opportunity, I think I'll stay with
Swedish Lapland. It would after all simplify arranging things, at least for
me.

/Roger

The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Could be done. Jarmo? Osmo?

Vaughan

"Vaughan Hurry" kirjoitti viestissä
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The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Could be done. Jarmo? Osmo?

Vaughan et al.

Sounds good for me: But as Roger said, he is not going to be the
clavemaister!
My resources are also limited but I could try to help as much as possible.

Tulppio is place, where there are several rivers reachable as Myron
mentioned:
Nuorttijoki, Sotajoki, Tulppiojoki, etc.

What becomes to Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, for me such a low cost option
like #3 is good. I am ready to live in tent but a sauna at least twice
during the week
out there would be more than desireable! What you think about a tent sauna,
swimming
in a cool river and take beer, whisky?

OsmoJ

riverman What about a trip into Suomi?

The place you're talking about (river near Tulppio) is probably
Nuorttijoki. I haven't been there myself, but my friends told me that
it is a very beautiful river, and quite unlike most other Finnish
rivers in Lapland (in terms of vegetation, at least).

I was visiting a river a bit north of Nuorttijoki last June
(Suomujoki). A gorgeous river, but seemed to have surprisingly few
fish. (I was mostly hiking, but wet the line a couple of times, with
no effect.) As with Nuorttijoki, a hiking trail follows the river, and
there's quite a bit of fishing pressure. Of course there is a chance
to catch a *really* big trout (swimming up the river from Russia), but
otherwise I wouldn't really call fishing over there good. At least
when compared with what I've experienced in Sweden.

No offense to my home country, but unfortunately I think that there is
a reason why so many Finns go fishing to Sweden, but relatively few
Swedes come to Finland. That is at least my impression, I'd like to
hear Osmo's opinion on this. For some reason, the Swedes just have it
better. I'm not sure if it's just a geographical thing (number of
lakes and rivers), or what else affects it. I'm not saying that there
are no good rivers, but still...

On the other hand, if we want to do it someday, a salmon / grayling
clave in August in river Teno would probably provide world class
fishing. For some photos of this "stream", see the links with word
"Teno" on this page:

http://www.perhokalastajat.org/kalapaikat.htm

--
Jarmo Hurri

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"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message ...

riverman What about a trip into Suomi?

The place you're talking about (river near Tulppio) is probably
Nuorttijoki. I haven't been there myself, but my friends told me that
it is a very beautiful river, and quite unlike most other Finnish
rivers in Lapland (in terms of vegetation, at least).

I was visiting a river a bit north of Nuorttijoki last June
(Suomujoki). A gorgeous river, but seemed to have surprisingly few
fish. (I was mostly hiking, but wet the line a couple of times, with
no effect.) As with Nuorttijoki, a hiking trail follows the river, and
there's quite a bit of fishing pressure. Of course there is a chance
to catch a *really* big trout (swimming up the river from Russia), but
otherwise I wouldn't really call fishing over there good. At least
when compared with what I've experienced in Sweden.


Jarmo,

I have never visited Nuorttijoki. But at summer 2002 we made a trip to
Suomujoki. The water was very low at that time (end of June). We were hiking
some 12 km up from Aittajarvi to the cabin of Porttikoski. We caughed small
graylings, some fullfilling the minimum size requirement, and small trout. When
walking backwards we fished some time at Porttikoski. Small trout mostly, but
my son Miikka had a nice trout hooked once. Broken leader and lost fish,
possibly 3 kilos or so.

When we came back to our car, we met two hiking guides, who told us that
we should have walked more further upstream, 15 to 20 km, to have much better
chances to get real fishing experiences.

For the next summer we are planning a trip to Naatamojoki (Nejden in Norway)
up in northeastern Finland. Means walking some 6 km minimum to reach the
river from the road to Sevettijarvi. But may be a good experience! Decent graylings,
big trout and even salmon going up from the sea.

There is also a competing offer for Swedish Clave 2004! I just heard from my friend
that he is arranging a fishing safari to Vodlozero (Vodlajarvi) in Karelia, Russia, next
August. There will be a group of spinner fishermen from Kuopio districkt participating
this trip. I am investigating the chances for flyfishing the rivers around the lake.
There is a national park around this lake, but the fishing is allowed.

Some links:
www.sll.fi/mpe/vodla/VodlaHome.html
http://www.onego.ru/win/vodlozero/

When I get more information, I let you know!

OsmoJ

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in message
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Roger,
You are mad and we did have a good time................

Some thoughts:
So far as I know, I'm up for any of the 3 with preferences pretty much in
the order you list them. I was thinking about a clave in the sand ridge
country this weekend. The only problem I see is that in august we might
have
low water and small streams. Not really a problem of course but if you
take
Harrejokk where Jarmo and I went - we had great fishing but it would have
been difficult to spread 8 or 10 guys out along that stream without
splitting into 2 or more groups, which might also work OK. There are
plenty
of alternatives, such as the upper reaches of Taava atno where there are 3
streams and a few small lakes in walking distance. I have not fished there
but it would be very interesting to visit.....

The streams north of Rostujauvri (sorry I can not spell any of these names
correctly but you know where I mean) could be exciting as well. I would
not
recommend dropping 8 or 10 guys on Rostaelva in august. Not enough fishing
for that group plus the others already there. We need one of the lesser
know
areas and there are many other options, especially if we looked for
somewhere with a larger lake where we could also take float tubes........

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hmmmmm.........
You guys have a positive approach to almost all my suggestions, which of
course is helping me none ;-(
We'll see, once we get some more responses, if there's anything in there to
help with the decision.

/Roger