The Mayfly

Which also causes me to ponder on why you keep posting this crap,
calling me a nutcase etc etc . Maybe you´re just too thin skinned
Kennyboy?

MC

On 12 Nov, 22:30, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Why should I do that? ...
Why should you do what ? Post your private correspondence to
roff ? My guess is that it's a pitiful and pathetic effort on
your part to convince roff you have some sort of credibility
elsewhere despite the fact you've been banned from European
forums and are a laughingstock on roff. Or it could just be
an honest posting mistake. LOL !!

I don´t think Fortenberry would do it, it is just not his M.O. he
thinks he owns ROFF, but I don´t think he even really cares much about
fly-fishing, so he would not normally even go to other fly-fishing
boards.
Well, you're right about one thing. I've never sent you
harassing email, I've never posted in any of the forums where
you claim to be so well respected and I've never uttered a
single word of official complaint to any of the numerous ISPs
you've been forced to employ over the years. I do belong to
the Wisconsin Fly Fishing Forum and I am an avid fly fisherman.

What sticks in your craw, and the thing that drives you nuts
is that I have friends on roff. A lot of friends. I can go
fly fishing from sea to shining sea here in the states and in
many international locales as well and meet up with a friend
or two from roff. I've made enemies, sure. An outspoken asshole
such as myself will always make enemies along the way but by
and large I'm just as proud of the enemies I've ****ed off as
the friendships I've made.

As for you, you're just ****in' nuts. No one with a temperament
like yours and a skin so thin has any business trying to be part
of an electronic forum.

That post was cancelled immediately Kennyboy, indeed, you should not
have seen it. As for harassing e-mail, and a shower of complaints to
an ISP I was not even using to post, ask your Oakie friend.

I am not banned from any Forums except Sexyloops Kennyboy. I have had
two ISP´s since I started using the internet( apart from G-mail which
I am going to be using less as it is unreliable for me) and I still
have both of them.

Your friends are of no interest to me Kennyboy, and the only thing
that "sticks in my craw" is the fact that you abused me personally as
well as many others, and there is nothing I can do about it.

As for the veracity of this post, I would suggest that readers
consider your truthfulness in the past and use a grain or two
of salt before trying to digest it.

And as for being "abused personally", LOL !!. That is precisely
what I'm talking about when I say you have to have a thicker skin
to participate here. You cannot post hateful, ignorant, disgusting,
homophobic tirades that read like they could have been copied
verbatim out of _Mein Kampf_ to this fly fishing forum without
being taken to task for it. As to why you chose to do so in the
first place, that remains a mystery to me. Apparently you became
incensed at the banal and by now common phrase, "not that there's
anything wrong with that".

Whatever "abuse" you received as a consequence, and I refuse to
acknowledge it as "abuse", you most richly deserved.

--
Ken Fortenberry

You are lying again Kennyboy. I did not post any "hateful, ignorant,
disgusting, homophobic tirades" I merely posted that I did not like
homosexuals, and I explained why.

At which point you commenced this campaign of lies propaganda and
bull****, and you have continued it ever since.

MC

On 12 Nov, 22:30, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Why should I do that? ...
Why should you do what ? Post your private correspondence to
roff ? My guess is that it's a pitiful and pathetic effort on
your part to convince roff you have some sort of credibility
elsewhere despite the fact you've been banned from European
forums and are a laughingstock on roff. Or it could just be
an honest posting mistake. LOL !!

I don´t think Fortenberry would do it, it is just not his M.O. he
thinks he owns ROFF, but I don´t think he even really cares much about
fly-fishing, so he would not normally even go to other fly-fishing
boards.
Well, you're right about one thing. I've never sent you
harassing email, I've never posted in any of the forums where
you claim to be so well respected and I've never uttered a
single word of official complaint to any of the numerous ISPs
you've been forced to employ over the years. I do belong to
the Wisconsin Fly Fishing Forum and I am an avid fly fisherman.

What sticks in your craw, and the thing that drives you nuts
is that I have friends on roff. A lot of friends. I can go
fly fishing from sea to shining sea here in the states and in
many international locales as well and meet up with a friend
or two from roff. I've made enemies, sure. An outspoken asshole
such as myself will always make enemies along the way but by
and large I'm just as proud of the enemies I've ****ed off as
the friendships I've made.

As for you, you're just ****in' nuts. No one with a temperament
like yours and a skin so thin has any business trying to be part
of an electronic forum.

That post was cancelled immediately Kennyboy, indeed, you should not
have seen it. As for harassing e-mail, and a shower of complaints to
an ISP I was not even using to post, ask your Oakie friend.

I am not banned from any Forums except Sexyloops Kennyboy. I have had
two ISP´s since I started using the internet( apart from G-mail which
I am going to be using less as it is unreliable for me) and I still
have both of them.

Your friends are of no interest to me Kennyboy, and the only thing
that "sticks in my craw" is the fact that you abused me personally as
well as many others, and there is nothing I can do about it.

As for the veracity of this post, I would suggest that readers
consider your truthfulness in the past and use a grain or two
of salt before trying to digest it.

And as for being "abused personally", LOL !!. That is precisely
what I'm talking about when I say you have to have a thicker skin
to participate here. You cannot post hateful, ignorant, disgusting,
homophobic tirades that read like they could have been copied
verbatim out of _Mein Kampf_ to this fly fishing forum without
being taken to task for it. As to why you chose to do so in the
first place, that remains a mystery to me. Apparently you became
incensed at the banal and by now common phrase, "not that there's
anything wrong with that".

Whatever "abuse" you received as a consequence, and I refuse to
acknowledge it as "abuse", you most richly deserved.

--
Ken Fortenberry

I have no idea how your twisted mind works Kennyboy, and I don´t want
to. But if it were correct that "Whatever "abuse" you received as a
consequence, and I refuse to acknowledge it as "abuse", you most
richly deserved. "

Then if I had actually abused you, ( instead of merely telling the
truth, over and over again) then you would simply be receiving your
just deserts for abusing me and others Kennyboy, so I really don´t see
what you have to whine about.

Your trouble is Kennyboy, you want to force your views on everybody,
and you will use any means to try and accomplish that.

Unfortunately for you Kennyboy, I will now use any means to thwart
you.

MC

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:18:17 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Where are you going to go?

I am going nowhere, fool.

On 12 Nov, 22:57, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:18:17 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Where are you going to go?

I am going nowhere, fool.

Yes, I had noticed that.

MC

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:17:06 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Why should I do that? It is a fact that some people from ROFF
actually tried to attack me on a couple of boards, and giving a list
of the boards to which I contribute would only encourage them to do
the same again. It did them no good, and they were either banned or
censured immediately, but it causes unpleasantness. I now use
pseudonyms on most boards, and although the moderators know who I am,
not many other people do. Since I have been doing this, there have
been no more attacks. Which also proves that the people involved were
purely interested in attacking me.They are not only stupid, they are
incorrigible.

I don´t think Fortenberry would do it, it is just not his M.O. he
thinks he owns ROFF, but I don´t think he even really cares much about
fly-fishing, so he would not normally even go to other fly-fishing
boards. As far as I am aware he has never contributed to any, but I don
´t know that.

Of the others, some apparently want others to believe that they know a
lot about fly-fishing, but they can only maintain that illusion here,
and so they would not really have any reason to visit other boards
either, the only reason for doing so is to learn about or discuss fly-
fishing, or related matters. Some of the bull**** posted here would
immediately be torn to shreds by knowledgeable fly-anglers. The "depth
of knowledge" on ROFF is really a myth some here like to propagate.
There are one or two people who will be able to answer most questions,
but people like LaCourse are just bull****ters.

Their desire to do me some harm overrides any sense they might
otherwise possess. This is largely a result of Fortenberry´s
propaganda. The dumb Oakie even keeps spouting it, as does LaCourse.
There are one or two sensible people on whom it has had no effect,
Jeff Miller is one, and also one with the courage and backbone to
speak out about it. There are other too, but they just don´t want to
get involved in crap like this.

I don´t have to prove anything at all on ROFF. Neither what I am, nor
what I know. Nobody is forced to take my advice in preference to
anybody else´s, and I really don´t care much what anybody on ROFF has
to say about it. I am always willing to learn, and if somebody points
out a mistake, or shows me a better method, then I simply accept it
and move on. Indeed, I have learned some things from listening to
Willi Lohman (Sp.? ), and others who have posted to ROFF in the past,
but people like LaCourse and the Oakie are apparently mainly
interested in blowing their own trumpets, and not in helping others.
Most unlikely that one will ever learn anything from them, apart from
the price of an expensive fishing resort, or the name of some nasty
Japanese whisky.

Anyway, it is entirely up to you what you post. I warn you now
though, there is no way you can prove anything at all to these people,
they will believe what they want, regardless of any facts you might
present. Indeed, it is very definitely better not to give them any
information at all, as they will merely misuse it.

As to motivation, I really don´t know. Ego? Jealousy? The need for
adulation? With Fortenberry it is mainly his need for control, which
is typical psychopathic behaviour, some obviously even think that
denigrating others makes them look good. Not a lot one can do about
it. If you post to ROFF you are basically on your own, and if you make
yourself noticed in any way you WILL be targeted by some nutcase. That
´s just how it is.

Regards and tight lines!

Mike


Dragos Bora wrote:
Hi there!

Thank you for "Connor's Corner"!
A lot of great information!

I am a 37 years old beginner and I was forwarded to your site by
Lucian Vasies, our wiser brother. :-)

He maintains a web site, http://www.flytying.ro, and he's a very
kind and gentle person, always ready to help anyone.

Here http://picasaweb.google.com/dragos.bora/ProfVasies we were
at the gathering he managed two months ago.

Best wishes!

Dragos Bora
(Romania, Bacau)

http://dragos.bora.googlepages.com/home





Hi Dragos,

glad to hear you are enjoying it.

Best wishes, regards, and tight lines!

Mike



John Campbell wrote:

Mike,
I was just on one my frequent visits to your website and it´s gone!

Can't you just ignore the stupid *******s, and not let them get you down?
Your brilliant site is not for them anyway, it is for people like myself and others
who appreciate the unique information you freely give, and your obviously great knowledge
and experience. Pleas please put the site back up. As for them, just ignore them.

Thanks.

Cheers,
John Campbell

Hi John,

difficult to ignore them, apart from the abuse on the newsgroup, they
blocked my e-mail with a load of rubbish as well. I know I should have
more sense than to take notice of such idiots, but I was a member of
that group for a long time, and it really gets me that they would post
such stuff!

Anyway, after all this mail I am uploading the site again, check the
site again in a couple of hours or so. Although of course I am aware
of the number of daily hits, I did not expect to get that much mail as
a result! Hopefully the site going back up will be answer enough, as
it will take me ages to answer all these posts personally!

There will be some more annotated PDF´s going up this week on wet
flies mainly.

Even though I have reinstated the site this time, you should copy
anything you need from it, because it will be going down in four
months anyway. It simply costs me too much to keep it up. Apart from
the basic fees for the server space etc, I have to pay extra for the
traffic beyond a certain point, and this has been well exceeded every
month up to now and is increasing all the time.

Regards and tight lines!

Mike




Bryan Gooch Redd wrote:
Mike,
I just did my one of my frequent visits to your website and ---- it was all
gone!

The internet can be a very odd place, if you let it. Can't you just ignore
the *******s, and not let them get you down? Your fine stie wasn't for
them----it was for people like me who appreciate your perspective and your
knowledge and experience. For us, I hope you'll reinstate your site. For
them, well, just ignore them. It really is that simple----ignore them.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bryan


Hi Bryan,

I got a lot of mail on this, indeed some of it almost word for word
what you wrote!

difficult to ignore them, apart from the abuse on the newsgroup, they
blocked my e-mail with a load of rubbish as well.

Anyway, check the site again in half an hour or so.

Regards and tight lines!

Mike


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Hi Bryan, I got a lot of mail on this, indeed some of it almost word
for word what you wrote!



You are absolutely insane. If I ever need proof, this post will live
on google for a long, long time.

You really need help, Mike.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:17:06 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Why should I do that? It is a fact that some people from ROFF
actually tried to attack me on a couple of boards, and giving a list
of the boards to which I contribute would only encourage them to do
the same again. It did them no good, and they were either banned or
censured immediately, but it causes unpleasantness. I now use
pseudonyms on most boards, and although the moderators know who I am,
not many other people do. Since I have been doing this, there have
been no more attacks. Which also proves that the people involved were
purely interested in attacking me.They are not only stupid, they are
incorrigible.

I don´t think Fortenberry would do it, it is just not his M.O. he
thinks he owns ROFF, but I don´t think he even really cares much about
fly-fishing, so he would not normally even go to other fly-fishing
boards. As far as I am aware he has never contributed to any, but I don
´t know that.

Of the others, some apparently want others to believe that they know a
lot about fly-fishing, but they can only maintain that illusion here,
and so they would not really have any reason to visit other boards
either, the only reason for doing so is to learn about or discuss fly-
fishing, or related matters. Some of the bull**** posted here would
immediately be torn to shreds by knowledgeable fly-anglers. The "depth
of knowledge" on ROFF is really a myth some here like to propagate.
There are one or two people who will be able to answer most questions,
but people like LaCourse are just bull****ters.

Their desire to do me some harm overrides any sense they might
otherwise possess. This is largely a result of Fortenberry´s
propaganda. The dumb Oakie even keeps spouting it, as does LaCourse.
There are one or two sensible people on whom it has had no effect,
Jeff Miller is one, and also one with the courage and backbone to
speak out about it. There are other too, but they just don´t want to
get involved in crap like this.

I don´t have to prove anything at all on ROFF. Neither what I am, nor
what I know. Nobody is forced to take my advice in preference to
anybody else´s, and I really don´t care much what anybody on ROFF has
to say about it. I am always willing to learn, and if somebody points
out a mistake, or shows me a better method, then I simply accept it
and move on. Indeed, I have learned some things from listening to
Willi Lohman (Sp.? ), and others who have posted to ROFF in the past,
but people like LaCourse and the Oakie are apparently mainly
interested in blowing their own trumpets, and not in helping others.
Most unlikely that one will ever learn anything from them, apart from
the price of an expensive fishing resort, or the name of some nasty
Japanese whisky.

Anyway, it is entirely up to you what you post. I warn you now
though, there is no way you can prove anything at all to these people,
they will believe what they want, regardless of any facts you might
present. Indeed, it is very definitely better not to give them any
information at all, as they will merely misuse it.

As to motivation, I really don´t know. Ego? Jealousy? The need for
adulation? With Fortenberry it is mainly his need for control, which
is typical psychopathic behaviour, some obviously even think that
denigrating others makes them look good. Not a lot one can do about
it. If you post to ROFF you are basically on your own, and if you make
yourself noticed in any way you WILL be targeted by some nutcase. That
´s just how it is.

Regards and tight lines!

Mike


Dragos Bora wrote:
Hi there!

Thank you for "Connor's Corner"!
A lot of great information!

I am a 37 years old beginner and I was forwarded to your site by
Lucian Vasies, our wiser brother. :-)

He maintains a web site, http://www.flytying.ro, and he's a very
kind and gentle person, always ready to help anyone.

Here http://picasaweb.google.com/dragos.bora/ProfVasies we were
at the gathering he managed two months ago.

Best wishes!

Dragos Bora
(Romania, Bacau)

http://dragos.bora.googlepages.com/home





Hi Dragos,

glad to hear you are enjoying it.

Best wishes, regards, and tight lines!

Mike



John Campbell wrote:

Mike,
I was just on one my frequent visits to your website and it´s gone!

Can't you just ignore the stupid *******s, and not let them get you down?
Your brilliant site is not for them anyway, it is for people like myself and others
who appreciate the unique information you freely give, and your obviously great knowledge
and experience. Pleas please put the site back up. As for them, just ignore them.

Thanks.

Cheers,
John Campbell

Hi John,

difficult to ignore them, apart from the abuse on the newsgroup, they
blocked my e-mail with a load of rubbish as well. I know I should have
more sense than to take notice of such idiots, but I was a member of
that group for a long time, and it really gets me that they would post
such stuff!

Anyway, after all this mail I am uploading the site again, check the
site again in a couple of hours or so. Although of course I am aware
of the number of daily hits, I did not expect to get that much mail as
a result! Hopefully the site going back up will be answer enough, as
it will take me ages to answer all these posts personally!

There will be some more annotated PDF´s going up this week on wet
flies mainly.

Even though I have reinstated the site this time, you should copy
anything you need from it, because it will be going down in four
months anyway. It simply costs me too much to keep it up. Apart from
the basic fees for the server space etc, I have to pay extra for the
traffic beyond a certain point, and this has been well exceeded every
month up to now and is increasing all the time.

Regards and tight lines!

Mike




Bryan Gooch Redd wrote:
Mike,
I just did my one of my frequent visits to your website and ---- it was all
gone!

The internet can be a very odd place, if you let it. Can't you just ignore
the *******s, and not let them get you down? Your fine stie wasn't for
them----it was for people like me who appreciate your perspective and your
knowledge and experience. For us, I hope you'll reinstate your site. For
them, well, just ignore them. It really is that simple----ignore them.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bryan


Hi Bryan,

I got a lot of mail on this, indeed some of it almost word for word
what you wrote!

difficult to ignore them, apart from the abuse on the newsgroup, they
blocked my e-mail with a load of rubbish as well.

Anyway, check the site again in half an hour or so.

Regards and tight lines!

Mike


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Hi Bryan, I got a lot of mail on this, indeed some of it almost word
for word what you wrote!


How come these "oops, I meant to email this..." posts are never grocery
lists, mundane correspondence totally unrelated to fishing, roff, or its
readers, or even racy lovenotes to your boyfriend?

I mean, how come they _always_ seem to have, at least in a ****ed-up
way, something to do with ROFF? Heck, one might wonder why the
Mike-Tyson-meets-Bill Gates of Germany can't figure out how to use a
computer...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, you're calling the Postmaster General,
R

On 12 Nov, 23:01, Dave LaCourse wrote:

You are absolutely insane. If I ever need proof, this post will live
on google for a long, long time.

You really need help, Mike.

It is becoming more and more obvious to everybody that you are the one
who needs help. You are apparently quite obsessed with doing me some
damage.

There is no way you can damage me LaCourse, and in the meantime it is
merely amusing watching you try.

MC

On 12 Nov, 23:03, wrote:


How come these "oops, I meant to email this..." posts are never grocery
lists, mundane correspondence totally unrelated to fishing, roff, or its
readers, or even racy lovenotes to your boyfriend?

I mean, how come they _always_ seem to have, at least in a ****ed-up
way, something to do with ROFF? Heck, one might wonder why the
Mike-Tyson-meets-Bill Gates of Germany can't figure out how to use a
computer...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, you're calling the Postmaster General,
R

Well now Dickie boy, it´s all a secret plot to undermine the American
sauce industry, basically to get you into a pickle. As long as you are
trying to figure out the secret code ( which was attached), it gives
you less time to poison the populace.

As it happens, it seems G-mail has some problems with cut and pasting,
at least in combination with the clipboard monitor I use, so I have
now disabled it. I don´t really feel like answering any more of your
questions today Dickie boy, try again tomorrow, I am too busy right
now.

MC

Mike typed:
On 12 Nov, 17:54, "Tim J." wrote:

Absolute bull****, Dave. No one has to call anyone on anything -
it's plain for all to see.

I have no desire to be roff's "peace keeper", and I doubt Jeff is
lobbying for that position, either. What I see is a bunch of adults
acting like little spoiled children, and jumping in at that level
would solve nothing. You kids go ahead and beat each other to a pulp
- you seem to enjoy it at everyone else's expense. None of you have
no desire for anyone to point out wrong and right, because you all
already *know* you are right.

See LaCourse, another eminently sensible example.

Please, Mike, leave me out of your example category. The last thing I need
is for you to point at me as sensible. Your claimed (over and over again)
"defamed character" has been a contributing factor to much of the crap being
flung back and forth. I'd advise you to just drop it, but, of course, you
can't do that. Surely you must see (just like the rest of us are forced to
do) that you are being prompted to react, and these people seem to relish
the reaction regardless of content. I can't understand why you, or anyone
else for that matter, want or need to give them that satisfaction.

EOT for me.
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TL,
Tim
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