Live by the speech, die by the speech...

I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:22:38 -0500, wrote:

I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R

Oh my.

The only thing stunning is how you totally slept through the speech of a
lifetime.

That's really too bad for you - but I'm certain you'll be able to see it on
the web - including at least a few minutes citing MLK.

Dumbass.

/daytripper

On Aug 28, 11:45*pm, daytripper wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:22:38 -0500, wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. *If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. *And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. *He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. *Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. *It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R

Oh my.

The only thing stunning is how you totally slept through the speech of a
lifetime.

That's really too bad for you - but I'm certain you'll be able to see it on
the web - including at least a few minutes citing MLK.

Dumbass.

/daytripper

It was a good speech but "speech of a lifetime?" Maybe Kennedy's `80
or Humphrey's `48....

Kerry's the night before was good.

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...

It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:11:49 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...

It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

Um, why is it so mind-boggling that a black man would not only be
nominated, but elected as POTUS? It's historic, but hardly
"mind-boggling." Hell, had he have wanted to run, Powell would have
almost certainly been nominated by the GOP and may well have won, and
that was before Obama had even gotten elected to anything.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

You're a little older than me...perhaps that's why I have little doubt
that not only can a black man, but black men, white women, black women,
Hispanic men and women, Asian men and women, etc., be nominated, and
some will win, over the course of US history. And some will be
excellent Presidents, some will be lousy, and some will just be largely
forgotten by the bulk of the population. I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.

An Obama-supporting friend made what I think is a particularly good,
"working-man" comment about it - "he sounded like a guy who just won a
train that he isn't sure how to drive..."

TC,
R

On Aug 29, 12:29*pm, wrote:

*I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...

now, wait just a damn minute. i normally eschew participation in
these political ****ing contests, but when the honored name of chester
a. arthur is sullied, even by implication, the **** *will* hit the
fan.
you are talking about a brilliant, clever, immensely effective
champion of the poor, the unwashed, the little people--the salt of the
union. this is a man of whom franklin delano roosevelt once said, "if
chester arthur is for it, how can any be against it!" well, i *think*
it was fdr... maybe that was ulysses grant... anyway, just watch your
mouth about such a great man in the future.

yfitons
wayno(a closet whig, if the truth be known)

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:09:29 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 29, 12:29*pm, wrote:

*I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...

now, wait just a damn minute. i normally eschew participation in
these political ****ing contests, but when the honored name of chester
a. arthur is sullied, even by implication, the **** *will* hit the
fan.
you are talking about a brilliant, clever, immensely effective
champion of the poor, the unwashed, the little people--the salt of the
union. this is a man of whom franklin delano roosevelt once said, "if
chester arthur is for it, how can any be against it!" well, i *think*
it was fdr... maybe that was ulysses grant... anyway, just watch your
mouth about such a great man in the future.

Actually, it wasn't a dig. He was, by most accounts, exactly as you
say, personally honest and effective, often as much by knowing what not
to "fix" as what could actually benefit from a little tinkering, and
most importantly, being objective and realistic about the whole thing.
Even Twain/Clements liked him. And largely forgotten by history - when
is the last time anyone, of any party, running for so much as dog
catcher, suggested they would like to be remembered by a relative few
folks, but for the few that do as the Chester A. Arthur of their
generation? We're ass-deep in would-be Kennedys and re-Reagans. We got
wannabe-Roosevelts and Lincolns out the ying-yang, and even a
pseudo-Truman buck-stopper or two, but, alas, we're fresh the **** out
of Chester A. Arthurs...

yfitons
wayno(a closet whig, if the truth be known)

Um, "closet?" "Whig?" Oh, man, be careful - we got a Sergeant Snedeker
running around on the lookout for just that sort of degenerate
stuff...he'll be easy to spot - he'll be the guy who looks like an old
New York Doll in a Jackie Kennedy suit and tin-foil pillbox hat...

TC,
R
....and amazingly enough, he was even a lawyer...Arthur, I mean, not
Snedeker...

On Aug 29, 12:57*pm, wrote:

Richard
If I look like a NY doll to you, even an old NY doll, I suggest you
need to sober up on your way into the big apple next time. Here is a
clue: Look for the Adam's apple, BEFORE you put the money on the
dresser.

Your Jacki O fantasies continue to puzzle me but, hey, whatever floats
your honky tonk mind is your business, just so you leave me out of it.
Lets restrict ourselves to trashing each other's politics.

Second point: If I am not mistaken, a Whig at the time of the
Revolution was primarily identified with opposition to absolute
monarchy, and pro constitutional protections. Were not many of the
founding fathers Whigs? So why would I be particularly bothered by
someones Whiggish ideas?

Dave

In article ,
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...

It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.

We have already had black presidents. 5 have been documented, here are
2.

Andrew Jackson was our 7th president from 1829 to 1837. The Virginia
Magazine of History Volume 29 says that Jackson was the son of a White
woman from Ireland who had intermarried with a Negro. The magazine also
said that his eldest brother had been sold as a slave in Carolina. Joel
Rogers says that Andrew Jackson Sr. died long before President Andrew
Jackson Jr. was born. He says the president's mother then went to live
on the Crawford farm where there were Negro slaves and that one of these
men was Andrew Jr's father. Another account of the "brother sold into
slavery² story can be found in David Coyle's book entitled "Ordeal of
the Presidency"

Abraham Lincoln was our 16th president from 1861 to 1865. J. A. Rogers
quotes Lincoln's mother, Nancy Hanks, as saying that Abraham Lincoln was
the illegitimate son of an African man. William Herndon, Lincoln's law
partner, said that Lincoln had very dark skin and coarse hair and that
his mother was from an Ethiopian tribe. In Herndon's book entitled "The
Hidden Lincoln" he says that Thomas Lincoln could not have been Abraham
Lincoln's father because he was sterile from childhood mumps and was
later castrated. Lincoln's presidential opponents made cartoon
drawings depicting him as a Negro and nicknamed him ³Abraham Africanus
the First."

Ken Fortenberry wrote in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...

It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.


Jeez Ken I always thought you were THE old fart around here.

I was born in '54 and meet my "54" on Oct 14.

As a Canucklehead I would sure as hell vote for Obama 'cause Bush has got
to go.

We're going to have our own election soon and at least I can put my two
cents worth in here.

We've gotta get rid of Harper because he's so far up Bush's ass our
country is about to end up like the US with minimum jail sentencing,
total revocation of rights etc.

Next thing you know we'll have to buy a piece of river to fish.

I don't have much use for the Liberal Party up here but anything is
better than what's going on at this point.

Tight lines to you and yours.

Bruce