Willie and Wesley and the boys...

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:49:08 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


wrote in message
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Aw, well, you know us sausage scions, we presume as to the meat of the
matter...

TC,
R

.....that, and the fact that no one likes seeing the stuff made, are all one
really needs to know about sausages.

Ah, yes...transparency, but only so much of it...you know, opacity...behind a
black-out curtain...

Sheesh,
R
....and for extra credit, cite a coupla-three "outsiders" above the rank of
Junior Deputy Assistant to the Junior Assistant Deputy that Da Messiah has named
thus far....

HTH,
R

Tom

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
wrote:

... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people
such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them
(and
are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is
ridiculous
and IMO, a large part of the problem.

The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when
you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget
to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned
$5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from
the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist.

I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is
eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most
qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a
bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire
a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying
other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican
lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not
fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

On Feb 5, 6:37*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

...



wrote:

... *The whole idea that supposedly responsible people
such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them
(and
are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is
ridiculous
and IMO, a large part of the problem.

The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when
you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget
to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned
$5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from
the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist.

I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is
eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most
qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a
bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire
a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying
other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican
lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not
fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. *Wesley Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what
tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe
overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? Seems you lot are
pretty good at that.

You never learn much it seems.

Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into
chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along
advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible
****e. Seems you have no shame at all either.

ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes
down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a
criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do
far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup.

You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it
here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I
wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA
go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here,
and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it?

wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

...



wrote:

... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people
such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for
them
(and
are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is
ridiculous
and IMO, a large part of the problem.

The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when
you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget
to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned
$5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from
the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist.

I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is
eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most
qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a
bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire
a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying
other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican
lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not
fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4
years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what
tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe
overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? Seems you lot are
pretty good at that.

You never learn much it seems.

Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into
chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along
advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible
****e. Seems you have no shame at all either.

ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes
down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a
criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do
far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup.

You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it
here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I
wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA
go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here,
and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it?

Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. You would prefer a USSR
managed economy, or a China type from your writings. As to torture, they
are both good at that. As well as real torture of killing the prisoners.
Where am I saying to torture Daschle? He is a tax cheat! You seem to feel
cheating on taxes is ok. You a politician? I do not care what he did with
his money, he did a job and got paid. Legally in this country the job he
did required him to register as a lobbyist. So he also broke that law. I
feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay
the penalty. The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. They can
serve as a good example. As to stupid, you take the prize.

On Feb 5, 9:12*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:



"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

.. .

wrote:

... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people
such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for
them
(and
are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is
ridiculous
and IMO, a large part of the problem.

The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when
you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget
to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned
$5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from
the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist.

I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is
eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most
qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a
bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire
a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying
other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican
lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not
fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4
years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what
tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe
overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? *Seems you lot are
pretty good at that.

You never learn much it seems.

Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into
chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along
advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible
****e. *Seems you have no shame at all either.

ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes
down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a
criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do
far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup.

You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it
here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I
wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA
go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here,
and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it?

Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. *You would prefer a USSR
managed economy, or a China type from your writings. *As to torture, they
are both good at that. * As well as real torture of killing the prisoners.
Where am I saying to torture Daschle? *He is a tax cheat! *You seem to feel
cheating on taxes is ok. *You a politician? *I do not care what he did with
his money, he did a job and got paid. *Legally in this country the job he
did required him to register as a lobbyist. *So he also broke that law. *I
feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay
the penalty. *The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. *They can
serve as a good example. *As to stupid, you take the prize.

You don´t have the slightest idea what I would prefer, but that
doesn't stop you posting a load of total bull**** on the matter.

There is no reason to assume you know any more about the political
claptrap you are posting.

You already won the prize for being stupid, you elected Bush, and let
him railroad you into a lot of trouble.

Alexis de Tocqueville said, “in a democracy, the people get the
government they deserve". .... so what does that say about you?

You got the newsgroup you deserve as well, a load of total ****e. Who
are you going to put in prison for that?

On Feb 5, 9:12*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:



"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

.. .

wrote:

... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people
such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for
them
(and
are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is
ridiculous
and IMO, a large part of the problem.

The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when
you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget
to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned
$5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from
the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist.

I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is
eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most
qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a
bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire
a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying
other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican
lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not
fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4
years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what
tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe
overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? *Seems you lot are
pretty good at that.

You never learn much it seems.

Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into
chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along
advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible
****e. *Seems you have no shame at all either.

ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes
down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a
criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do
far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup.

You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it
here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I
wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA
go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here,
and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it?

Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. *You would prefer a USSR
managed economy, or a China type from your writings. *As to torture, they
are both good at that. * As well as real torture of killing the prisoners.
Where am I saying to torture Daschle? *He is a tax cheat! *You seem to feel
cheating on taxes is ok. *You a politician? *I do not care what he did with
his money, he did a job and got paid. *Legally in this country the job he
did required him to register as a lobbyist. *So he also broke that law. *I
feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay
the penalty. *The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. *They can
serve as a good example. *As to stupid, you take the prize.

Oh, and I'm not a politician, I'm an angler, for whom this group was
created. Not for a load of lily livered bull****ters, assholes, and
dumbos.

On Feb 5, 10:16*am, wrote:
On Feb 5, 9:12*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:



wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

.. .

wrote:

... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people
such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for
them
(and
are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is
ridiculous
and IMO, a large part of the problem.

The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when
you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget
to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned
$5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from
the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist.

I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is
eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most
qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a
bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire
a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying
other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican
lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not
fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4
years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what
tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe
overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? *Seems you lot are
pretty good at that.

You never learn much it seems.

Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into
chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along
advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible
****e. *Seems you have no shame at all either.

ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes
down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a
criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do
far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup.

You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it
here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I
wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA
go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here,
and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it?

Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. *You would prefer a USSR
managed economy, or a China type from your writings. *As to torture, they
are both good at that. * As well as real torture of killing the prisoners.
Where am I saying to torture Daschle? *He is a tax cheat! *You seem to feel
cheating on taxes is ok. *You a politician? *I do not care what he did with
his money, he did a job and got paid. *Legally in this country the job he
did required him to register as a lobbyist. *So he also broke that law. *I
feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay
the penalty. *The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. *They can
serve as a good example. *As to stupid, you take the prize.

You don´t have the slightest idea what I would prefer, but that
doesn't stop you posting a load of total bull**** on the matter.

There is no reason to assume you know any more about the political
claptrap you are posting.

You already won the prize for being stupid, you elected Bush, and let
him railroad you into a lot of trouble.

Alexis de Tocqueville said, “in a democracy, the people get the
government they deserve". .... so what does that say about you?

You got the newsgroup you deserve as well, a load of total ****e. Who
are you going to put in prison for that?

Just in case you have no idea who he is, which is not unlikely,
considering the absolutely abysmal level of education some of you
display with obvious pride;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville

He had you mediocre idiots pegged in 1835.

On Feb 5, 9:12*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:



"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

.. .

wrote:

... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people
such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for
them
(and
are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is
ridiculous
and IMO, a large part of the problem.

The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when
you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget
to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned
$5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from
the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist.

I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is
eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most
qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a
bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire
a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying
other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican
lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not
fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4
years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what
tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe
overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? *Seems you lot are
pretty good at that.

You never learn much it seems.

Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into
chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along
advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible
****e. *Seems you have no shame at all either.

ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes
down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a
criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do
far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup.

You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it
here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I
wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA
go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here,
and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it?

Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. *You would prefer a USSR
managed economy, or a China type from your writings. *As to torture, they
are both good at that. * As well as real torture of killing the prisoners.
Where am I saying to torture Daschle? *He is a tax cheat! *You seem to feel
cheating on taxes is ok. *You a politician? *I do not care what he did with
his money, he did a job and got paid. *Legally in this country the job he
did required him to register as a lobbyist. *So he also broke that law. *I
feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay
the penalty. *The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. *They can
serve as a good example. *As to stupid, you take the prize.

Oh, and another relatively minor point dumbo, the USSR was dissolved
in 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

If you and your idiot compatriots here were a little less
ethnocentric, and a good deal less stupid, you might be aware of such
things. As it is.....................

I don´t suppose you know much about China either.

wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 9:12 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:



"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

.. .

wrote:

... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people
such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for
them
(and
are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is
ridiculous
and IMO, a large part of the problem.

The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when
you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget
to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned
$5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from
the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist.

I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is
eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most
qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a
bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire
a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying
other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican
lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not
fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley
Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4
years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what
tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe
overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? Seems you lot are
pretty good at that.

You never learn much it seems.

Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into
chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along
advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible
****e. Seems you have no shame at all either.

ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes
down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a
criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do
far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup.

You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it
here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I
wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA
go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here,
and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it?

Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. You would prefer a USSR
managed economy, or a China type from your writings. As to torture, they
are both good at that. As well as real torture of killing the prisoners.
Where am I saying to torture Daschle? He is a tax cheat! You seem to feel
cheating on taxes is ok. You a politician? I do not care what he did with
his money, he did a job and got paid. Legally in this country the job he
did required him to register as a lobbyist. So he also broke that law. I
feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay
the penalty. The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. They can
serve as a good example. As to stupid, you take the prize.

You don´t have the slightest idea what I would prefer, but that
doesn't stop you posting a load of total bull**** on the matter.

There is no reason to assume you know any more about the political
claptrap you are posting.

You already won the prize for being stupid, you elected Bush, and let
him railroad you into a lot of trouble.

Alexis de Tocqueville said, “in a democracy, the people get the
government they deserve". .... so what does that say about you?

You got the newsgroup you deserve as well, a load of total ****e. Who
are you going to put in prison for that?

Dip****s like you? plonk!

Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated
and byzantine. ...

Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes
gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years.
A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard.

The law should be the same for everyone.

I screwed up my taxes one year, a $13K mistake that the IRS caught.
Contrary to conventional wisdom the IRS was a joy to work with.
They were polite, understanding and accommodating. I paid off my
error, plus interest, over two years and criminal prosecution was
never even mentioned. Mr. Snipes and the Survivor guy must have
tried to cheat. Daschle and me, we screwed up. Big difference.

--
Ken Fortenberry