OT The Nature of Evil

On 3 Sep 2004 00:25:38 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

As a sidenote . . .
As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."

The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
must be turning in his grave!

The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
had ideas of their own.

Lord I hope Im wrong.

Dave


Now that is interesting. Of course I knew that Podhertz was a red
diaper baby ( As am I, sort of. Shirt tail relatives fought with the
Abe Lincoln Brigade in Spain in the 30s. Even closer ones were black
listed because they were self admitted Reds.). But I didn't know that
Krystol was one too. While I don't think they are still interested in
fomenting a world wide Proletarian revolution, certainly their view of
how the world works would be influenced by their up bringing.

g.c.

On 3 Sep 2004 00:25:38 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

As a sidenote . . .
As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."

The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
must be turning in his grave!

The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
had ideas of their own.

Lord I hope Im wrong.

Dave


Now that is interesting. Of course I knew that Podhertz was a red
diaper baby ( As am I, sort of. Shirt tail relatives fought with the
Abe Lincoln Brigade in Spain in the 30s. Even closer ones were black
listed because they were self admitted Reds.). But I didn't know that
Krystol was one too. While I don't think they are still interested in
fomenting a world wide Proletarian revolution, certainly their view of
how the world works would be influenced by their up bringing.

g.c.

On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Bones wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and real
heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.

Dave


went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Bones wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and real
heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.

Dave


went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...
George asks:
When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports,
George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent
would be
that you cannot.

Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction
Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are
the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments
where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does
win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like,
and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

As interesting and important as George's question is, I'm afraid that, like
the upcoming election here in the U.S., it is largely moot. Forces have
been set in motion that are sending and will continue to send shock waves
around the world for decades. What's going on today isn't like that
silliness that nobody much gave a **** about over in southeast Asia thirty
years ago. THIS **** is serious.....and it's only going to get more so.
Those of us who don't already feel like Cole Sear soon will. Get used to
it.

Wolfgang
who, childless, is blessed.

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...
George asks:
When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports,
George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent
would be
that you cannot.

Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction
Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are
the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments
where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does
win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like,
and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

As interesting and important as George's question is, I'm afraid that, like
the upcoming election here in the U.S., it is largely moot. Forces have
been set in motion that are sending and will continue to send shock waves
around the world for decades. What's going on today isn't like that
silliness that nobody much gave a **** about over in southeast Asia thirty
years ago. THIS **** is serious.....and it's only going to get more so.
Those of us who don't already feel like Cole Sear soon will. Get used to
it.

Wolfgang
who, childless, is blessed.

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

As a sidenote . . .
As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."

The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
must be turning in his grave!

The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
had ideas of their own.

Lord I hope Im wrong.

Dave

I hope your wrong too, but never underestimate the power of stupid people in
large groups ( especialy if they have money).

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

As a sidenote . . .
As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."

The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
must be turning in his grave!

The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
had ideas of their own.

Lord I hope Im wrong.

Dave

I hope your wrong too, but never underestimate the power of stupid people in
large groups ( especialy if they have money).

On 3 Sep 2004 02:01:10 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"bones" wrote in message
.. .
On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
news On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Bones wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and
real
heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.

Dave


went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

I'll tell you Bones, you are just one sharp cookie. Can't put anything over
on you. (Besides I may need some classy flies one of these days.) But you
got to admit you were all wet on whether or not the Enronites were cheating
on the energy "crisis" in California. Not now that they got them on tape
yuking it up on how they were screwing you folk. Come-on, even a dyed in the
woolly, rock rib such as yourself cannot like being robbed? Told ya.
:-)

Dave

Yeah right, whatever :-)
Not to worry,I sell to all style of Marxist's. The Red Butted Skunk
is a top mover :-)
I'm working on a cripple ... that one should be a good one as well :-)

I don't remember defending Enron and I pity the poor SOB that is
assigned that task... I did, however say to take a look at LA Water
and Power... they "stole" as much, if not more...and the CEO then
became Davis's energy Tsar. That got glossed over (read omitted) by
the LA Times, yet another bastion of Red Butted Skunk buyers :-)


Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

On 3 Sep 2004 02:01:10 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"bones" wrote in message
.. .
On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
news On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Bones wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and
real
heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.

Dave


went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

I'll tell you Bones, you are just one sharp cookie. Can't put anything over
on you. (Besides I may need some classy flies one of these days.) But you
got to admit you were all wet on whether or not the Enronites were cheating
on the energy "crisis" in California. Not now that they got them on tape
yuking it up on how they were screwing you folk. Come-on, even a dyed in the
woolly, rock rib such as yourself cannot like being robbed? Told ya.
:-)

Dave

Yeah right, whatever :-)
Not to worry,I sell to all style of Marxist's. The Red Butted Skunk
is a top mover :-)
I'm working on a cripple ... that one should be a good one as well :-)

I don't remember defending Enron and I pity the poor SOB that is
assigned that task... I did, however say to take a look at LA Water
and Power... they "stole" as much, if not more...and the CEO then
became Davis's energy Tsar. That got glossed over (read omitted) by
the LA Times, yet another bastion of Red Butted Skunk buyers :-)


Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com