SW spinnerbaits

Rodney wrote:
go-bassn wrote:

For someone who says we

are all jealous, you sure go a long way to make it look like you get
good responses to your posts.

I guess Warren has a case against you, troll. If you can read a thread,
you can see that those are my words that you have just attributed to
Warren. It's obvious that you are jealous of all of us that can have
discussions that don't end up in threats. I probably wouldn't have
responded except you need to make sure your sympatico.ca lawyer gets all
the names right.
Boy, wouldn't all of Rodney's posts from the last couple of years in the
news make people want to go buy his stuff? :P

lol Rodney, you are nothing but but another online clown. Everything I
wrote in my last post is 100% true. You can go on & try to fool a few
uneducated people on the internet, but you're not fooling many folks here.
When you make your annual visit to ROFB you should realize that you're not
dealing with rank amateurs. I love the claims of slander & threats of
lawsuits Rodney. Bring it on brotha! You just be ready to defend yourself
against the big fat countersuit I bring against you old fella. Your
attourneys must be as intelligent as you are, because any smart one would
tell you your case would get laughed out of court.

If you're in the mood to keep rolling on this, feel free to tell me more
about your "real" bass pros. If you want my Association of B.A.S.S.
Professionals # just email me & I'll send it to you old boy. And keep in
mind that in my last tournament I beat a few guys that might be considered
"real" bass pros themselves. One of them won a little gig in 2000 called
the Bass Masters Classic.

As for hurting your livelihood, I think most would agree that you do a fine
job of that all by yourself.

You Back Off Snakeoil boy.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Rodney" wrote in message
...
go-bassn wrote:

For someone who says we
are all jealous, you sure go a long way to make it look like you get
good responses to your posts.

You just proved my point, you claim to know more than the "real" bass
pros who have used my "rubber band" as you like to call it.

Enough said,, your a wanna be, you assume , ass/u/me , until you
actually test and know the real facts.

What you have writen is slanderous, to me and my product, it is based on
lies, not facts.

You have not done any testing, you don't know if the thing causes fish
to run from it, when it absolutely does not, we have never seen any fish
anywhere, run from the action of the bungee NONE "NOT ONE", with
thousands of fish caught and filmed underwater, as well as those watched
through sight fishing, actually, many strike it, (You were not alone in
this misbelief, until people actually used it). You have writen this
post in the fear that members of this group will find out that you don't
know what your talking about,, you don't want them to try it, because it
will make you look like a total fool when they do, that is the only
reason you don't want them taking advantage of the free offer. If you
believed what you had writen, you would have wanted them all to take it
, so you could rub it in , if it did not do as I claimed. Your scared
now, as I have already started sending them out, are you going to
belittle everyone who would try to defend it that comes on here now.. I
will bet you you will, just like you have the few that have stood up for
me .

Your hoping that after this post you made that the members here will be
afraid to tell the truth here after they have seen what this rig can do
and how it produces fish. Your hoping they like you so much they just
won't take the chance of making you mad, and/or look bad.


Your a JERK, plane, and simple, You do great as long as people feed your
ego, your a great friend to them, let someone that knows "more" than you
do about something, and you attack them. WeLL BACK OFF, you have
crossed the edge now, any more references to my contracts or dealings
with my licensees will land you in court. So could any more personal
attacks. Believe and write what you want to about what you "think", or
"believe" about my products, as the facts will soon be in by even people
here that your a fool on those beliefs, SInce you won't believe the true
experts in this field, about what my rig can do. The Guys who make their
living in fishing.






--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Stand Out Hooks ,
Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Mojo's Long
Shot rig
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

A request to everyone who wants to get in a ****ing match with Rodney.

Take it offline.

rodney, i have never wanted to get involved in these disputes, but i am
tired of the ranting and raving on this newsgroup. whether you like it or
not, most of it centers somehow around you. here are some facts:

1. you claim this guy is slandering you. you are wrong for several
reasons. first off you can't slander a thing, only a person. secondly he
can state any opinion he wants on an open forum as long as it is not a lie
purposely told to cause you financial harm, physical or emotional harm, or
social disgrace. if his opinion does this and is the result of well
intended advice and he can demonstrate good faith in sharing this opinion
based on his findings of either you, or your product then he is entitled
under the first amendment to spout off just like you are.

2. you are the one who constantly uses personal attacks to start these
disputes. if the guy thinks your product sucks he has a right to say so. i
think lots of things suck, just like the daiwa reels i commented on.
another user here likes them and we had a chuckle over how much our opinions
differ. i doubt he will sue me, daiwa won't sue me and even though we had
strong opinions no one got mad. you on the other hand inflame everyone with
personal attacks. want some examples from your last post? these are some
things you said.

"you sure go a long way to make it look like you get good responses to your
posts."

"your a wanna be"

"What you have writen is slanderous, to me and my product, it is based on
lies, not facts."

" You have writen this post in the fear that members of this group will find
out that you don't
know what your talking about"

"Your a JERK, plane, and simple, You do great as long as people feed your
ego, your a great friend to them, let someone that knows "more" than you
do about something, and you attack them"

"any more references to my contracts or dealings
with my licensees will land you in court"

rodney you said it your self,

"Believe and write what you want to about what you "think", or
"believe" about my products"

those are your own words. he can and probably will do this. why don't you
just offer your stuff, keep your personal comments to yourself and not worry
about what he is saying. he is entitled to speculate all he wants about
your products, your contracts or anything else he wants to, unless he states
them as facts, not opinions and does it to cause you material damage. if i
think something and tell people i think it, i am allowed by the constitution
do so without threat or punishment. that is my friend what makes america
great.

this is a nice forum most of the time and i think it is fine if you want to
give away your samples, just like it is fine for the spinnerbait guy or
anyone else to promote their stuff also. i also think you have a right to
criticize the other products just like they do, but damn i wish you would
stop provoking flame wars with personal attacks and threats. if you don't
like his opinions, just killfile the guy.

to everyone else sorry for this rant, i won't respond to any flames back
from anyone and i hope we can all get back to talking fishing. speaking of
which i am thinking of selling my champion and buying a lund pro v. anyone
ever fish from one? if so how did you like it compared to a bass boat?

peace
crownliner





"Rodney" wrote in message
...
go-bassn wrote:

For someone who says we
are all jealous, you sure go a long way to make it look like you get
good responses to your posts.

You just proved my point, you claim to know more than the "real" bass
pros who have used my "rubber band" as you like to call it.

Enough said,, your a wanna be, you assume , ass/u/me , until you
actually test and know the real facts.

What you have writen is slanderous, to me and my product, it is based on
lies, not facts.

You have not done any testing, you don't know if the thing causes fish
to run from it, when it absolutely does not, we have never seen any fish
anywhere, run from the action of the bungee NONE "NOT ONE", with
thousands of fish caught and filmed underwater, as well as those watched
through sight fishing, actually, many strike it, (You were not alone in
this misbelief, until people actually used it). You have writen this
post in the fear that members of this group will find out that you don't
know what your talking about,, you don't want them to try it, because it
will make you look like a total fool when they do, that is the only
reason you don't want them taking advantage of the free offer. If you
believed what you had writen, you would have wanted them all to take it
, so you could rub it in , if it did not do as I claimed. Your scared
now, as I have already started sending them out, are you going to
belittle everyone who would try to defend it that comes on here now.. I
will bet you you will, just like you have the few that have stood up for
me .

Your hoping that after this post you made that the members here will be
afraid to tell the truth here after they have seen what this rig can do
and how it produces fish. Your hoping they like you so much they just
won't take the chance of making you mad, and/or look bad.


Your a JERK, plane, and simple, You do great as long as people feed your
ego, your a great friend to them, let someone that knows "more" than you
do about something, and you attack them. WeLL BACK OFF, you have
crossed the edge now, any more references to my contracts or dealings
with my licensees will land you in court. So could any more personal
attacks. Believe and write what you want to about what you "think", or
"believe" about my products, as the facts will soon be in by even people
here that your a fool on those beliefs, SInce you won't believe the true
experts in this field, about what my rig can do. The Guys who make their
living in fishing.






--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Stand Out Hooks ,
Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Mojo's Long
Shot rig
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

I'm glad you liked my thoughts Chales, feel free to add them to the FAQ.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Charles B. Summers" (Comcast) wrote in
message ...
Great explaination Warren... and I'd probably think about putting this
info
in the FAQ's if anyone wants to second it. I'll be glad cut and copy this
to
Andrew.


"go-bassn" wrote in message
news
The bottom line is that Rodney's commercially-motivated portrayal of his
rubberband merely reflects how very little he knows about bass.

He'd like us all to believe that there's a distinct advantage to having
our
lures sit in one spot. He'd also like us to believe that the presence
of
a
6"+ very visible rubber band bouncing around like a yo-yo won't spook
more
bass than it attracts. He'd also like us to believe that his "rig" is
the
only way of keeping a bait in a solitary position. These are all
falsehoods.

The masses of people that Rodney claims he drudged up on ROFB (lol) -
get
your free samples of his "sub-par" material (why would someone want to
promote a product by sending folks insufficient versions???). You'll
all
agree that it is nothing more than underwear elastic.

The facts are this: The most common form of strike in bass fishing is a
reaction strike. That is because bass actually spend a very small
portion
of each day actively feeding, if they feed at all that day. Bass strike
lures that come into their "strike window" because they are mean,
instinctive killers. These are basically inactive fish. That's why 90%
of
the average basser's trips aren't the trips that they remember for the
rest
of their lives.

Generally we have to work pretty hard for that limit. Only occasionally
do
we encounter truly active, feeding fish. Those are the days that we
load
the boat, Thank the Lord for them. When bass are actively feeding they
are
quite catchable, maybe even with a rubber band bouncing only inches from
your lure.

Now, if you truly understand the reaction strike principle you know that
most bass don't inch up to a bait & look it over before eating. Sure,
occasionally they do. But more often than not giving a bass a great
look
at
a solitary lure is the ticket to failure. That's why if you watch the
truly
great jig fishermen, flippers & pitchers like Denny Brauer & Tommy
Biffle,
you'll see them put their bait right on shallow cover, let it sink to
the
bottom, jiggle it once or twice, then retrieve for their next
presentation.
These guys know that the odds of leaving that jig down there for a long
period of time & drawing a strike that didn't come almost instantly are
not
good.

You may marvel at how Kevin Van Dam smokes down a shoreline with a
spinnerbait & loads the boat. You may find it a great contrast to the
jig
fishing that Brauer does. But in reality he & Brauer are usually
fishing
for the same kinds of strikes. Although they prefer using different
fishing
methods to draw them, they both are looking for reaction strikes. They
know
that is their best bet, plain & simple.

Just as most bass strike at anything they perceive as food that passes
within the reaction strike "window", 90% of bass spook at the first sign
of
an unnatural element in their territory. A bouncing rubberband is about
as
good a bass-spooker as I can think of.

As for Rodney himself, I'm sure my image of the guy is evident. He
reinforces my image with every post he makes. If I ran the Mojo
Company,
I'd certainly shut that knucklehead up or cut him loose in a hurry
(probably
what Renosky did - face it, if the rubberbands were selling for them
Rodney
wouldn't be publicly bashing them, now would he?).

No matter what you call it, a turd is still a turd. I thought Craig
knew
a
turd when he saw one. I know RichZ does...

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
...

I am an active member on 5 other fishing news groups, not one of the
other five have attacked me for making this offer, they instead sent
me
a private email, asking for my address to send their SASE to.

I have seen several of these other posts, and none that I saw had any
POSTED responses, of course I don't know about private email. You
probably wouldn't have been "attacked" here had you done the same
thing
here, but no, you had your "alter ego" buddy Brab B. start in with
responses, and then he became several others. For someone who says we
are all jealous, you sure go a long way to make it look like you get
good responses to your posts.

lol, don't know how the "r" from Charles got in the subject line...

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
I'm glad you liked my thoughts Chales, feel free to add them to the FAQ.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Charles B. Summers" (Comcast) wrote in
message ...
Great explaination Warren... and I'd probably think about putting this
info
in the FAQ's if anyone wants to second it. I'll be glad cut and copy
this
to
Andrew.


"go-bassn" wrote in message
news
The bottom line is that Rodney's commercially-motivated portrayal of
his
rubberband merely reflects how very little he knows about bass.

He'd like us all to believe that there's a distinct advantage to
having
our
lures sit in one spot. He'd also like us to believe that the presence
of
a
6"+ very visible rubber band bouncing around like a yo-yo won't spook
more
bass than it attracts. He'd also like us to believe that his "rig" is
the
only way of keeping a bait in a solitary position. These are all
falsehoods.

The masses of people that Rodney claims he drudged up on ROFB (lol) -
get
your free samples of his "sub-par" material (why would someone want to
promote a product by sending folks insufficient versions???). You'll
all
agree that it is nothing more than underwear elastic.

The facts are this: The most common form of strike in bass fishing is
a
reaction strike. That is because bass actually spend a very small
portion
of each day actively feeding, if they feed at all that day. Bass
strike
lures that come into their "strike window" because they are mean,
instinctive killers. These are basically inactive fish. That's why
90%
of
the average basser's trips aren't the trips that they remember for the
rest
of their lives.

Generally we have to work pretty hard for that limit. Only
occasionally
do
we encounter truly active, feeding fish. Those are the days that we
load
the boat, Thank the Lord for them. When bass are actively feeding they
are
quite catchable, maybe even with a rubber band bouncing only inches
from
your lure.

Now, if you truly understand the reaction strike principle you know
that
most bass don't inch up to a bait & look it over before eating. Sure,
occasionally they do. But more often than not giving a bass a great
look
at
a solitary lure is the ticket to failure. That's why if you watch the
truly
great jig fishermen, flippers & pitchers like Denny Brauer & Tommy
Biffle,
you'll see them put their bait right on shallow cover, let it sink to
the
bottom, jiggle it once or twice, then retrieve for their next
presentation.
These guys know that the odds of leaving that jig down there for a
long
period of time & drawing a strike that didn't come almost instantly
are
not
good.

You may marvel at how Kevin Van Dam smokes down a shoreline with a
spinnerbait & loads the boat. You may find it a great contrast to the
jig
fishing that Brauer does. But in reality he & Brauer are usually
fishing
for the same kinds of strikes. Although they prefer using different
fishing
methods to draw them, they both are looking for reaction strikes.
They
know
that is their best bet, plain & simple.

Just as most bass strike at anything they perceive as food that passes
within the reaction strike "window", 90% of bass spook at the first
sign
of
an unnatural element in their territory. A bouncing rubberband is
about
as
good a bass-spooker as I can think of.

As for Rodney himself, I'm sure my image of the guy is evident. He
reinforces my image with every post he makes. If I ran the Mojo
Company,
I'd certainly shut that knucklehead up or cut him loose in a hurry
(probably
what Renosky did - face it, if the rubberbands were selling for them
Rodney
wouldn't be publicly bashing them, now would he?).

No matter what you call it, a turd is still a turd. I thought Craig
knew
a
turd when he saw one. I know RichZ does...

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
...

I am an active member on 5 other fishing news groups, not one of
the
other five have attacked me for making this offer, they instead
sent
me
a private email, asking for my address to send their SASE to.

I have seen several of these other posts, and none that I saw had
any
POSTED responses, of course I don't know about private email. You
probably wouldn't have been "attacked" here had you done the same
thing
here, but no, you had your "alter ego" buddy Brab B. start in with
responses, and then he became several others. For someone who says
we
are all jealous, you sure go a long way to make it look like you get
good responses to your posts.

lol Joe, one can tell you haven't been around ROFB as long as some of us.
This is an annual event. See ya in 2005!

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Joe" wrote in message
...
You must have set a NG record for the most innocent post that flamed off
topic and out of control. ;-) Joe Z.
"RR" wrote in message
...
Didnt expect all this from my original post.... wasnt trying to stir in
any
pot. In any case, I got the lures today and they look GREAT. Cant wait to
try them out this weekend. Thanks guys.
R


"RR" wrote in message
...

Well, after reading posts about the Secret Weapon spinnerbaits, I
have
finally decided to give them a try. As if I needed more spinnerbaits, I
ordered 3 today. Got a friend of mine to order some as well so we could
order together. We each got 3 in different sizes and colors. Hoping they
will get here before the 31st so I can try them out on a local
tournament
here!
At least if they work, we wont be lying to the members of our bass club
when
we say we caught them on a 'secret weapon'.

go-bassn wrote:

lol Rodney, you are nothing but but another online clown. Everything I
wrote in my last post is 100% true. You can go on & try to fool a few
uneducated people on the internet, but you're not fooling many folks here.
When you make your annual visit to ROFB you should realize that you're not
dealing with rank amateurs. I love the claims of slander & threats of
lawsuits Rodney. Bring it on brotha! You just be ready to defend yourself
against the big fat countersuit I bring against you old fella. Your
attourneys must be as intelligent as you are, because any smart one would
tell you your case would get laughed out of court.

I guess we shall meet then. Why did you not just for once, keep your
mouth shut

Your lack of knowledge about the laws of slander will be no excuse, you
had better seek legal advice now, you will be told real quick I have a
very strong case.

You had better take copies of every post to him

SInce everything will for ever be in the archives of the internet, it
won't be what you thought you wrote, or what you meant to say

As far as this news group , this is my last post to it,, but I will be
watching it closely.

Mr. Wolk, we shall be in touch
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Stand Out Hooks ,
Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Mojo's Long
Shot rig
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Great explaination Warren... and I'd probably think about putting this
info
in the FAQ's if anyone wants to second it

How does something that nasty and personal belong in the ROFB FAQ?

So I get props for starting the thread that inadvertantly caused the first
big flame of 2004?
;-)
Been a lurker here for at least 3 years and cant remember it getting this
nasty.

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
lol Joe, one can tell you haven't been around ROFB as long as some of us.
This is an annual event. See ya in 2005!

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Joe" wrote in message
...
You must have set a NG record for the most innocent post that flamed off
topic and out of control. ;-) Joe Z.
"RR" wrote in message
...
Didnt expect all this from my original post.... wasnt trying to stir in
any
pot. In any case, I got the lures today and they look GREAT. Cant wait
to
try them out this weekend. Thanks guys.
R


"RR" wrote in message
...

Well, after reading posts about the Secret Weapon spinnerbaits, I
have
finally decided to give them a try. As if I needed more spinnerbaits,
I
ordered 3 today. Got a friend of mine to order some as well so we
could
order together. We each got 3 in different sizes and colors. Hoping
they
will get here before the 31st so I can try them out on a local
tournament
here!
At least if they work, we wont be lying to the members of our bass
club
when
we say we caught them on a 'secret weapon'.