The end of the line.

Tim J. wrote:
rw typed:

Tim J. wrote:

Daniel-San typed:

The same "Joes" that would answer "What caused the Civil War?" with
"slavery". Absolutely it was a factor, but it was not the cause.

I don't think it was even much of a factor.

That's an absolute howler. Slavery was overwhelmingly the primary
cause of the Civil War.

I was fed the usual propaganda in school that it wasn't really about
slavery, that is was about states' rights. I later learned, after
educating myself in American history, that this is a rationalization
intended to avoid, ignore, and gloss over the country's racist slave
holding past. If the Civil War was about states' rights, it was about
the rights of states to practice slavery.


. . .which all boiled down to economics and profits. Did slavery play a
part? Absolutely. Was the war about slavery and the rights of oppressed
black men and women? Nope (and that's my point.) Was it about slavery as a
means to profit? Yes. Certainly there were those concerned with the
aberration of slavery, but the predominant factors were financial
considerations.

Oh, I see. It wasn't about slavery. It was about the economy of the
South, which just happened to NEED slavery (or so they thought), and
which was threatened by the abolition of slavery. The South wanted to
retain slavery for economic reasons, and the North wanted to abolish it
for moral reasons. That led to the War. Therefore, slavery was the issue
that caused the war. Q.E.D.

"Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been
no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war."
- Sydney E. Ahlstrome, A Religious History of the American People,
Yale University Press, 1972



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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"Wayne Knight" wrote ...

Daniel-San wrote:

I've been tying them with orange EP fibers as the post.

That's Roff for you, comments calling Ms Parks the right person in the
wrong place at the right time gets you all kinds of crap but using an
orange synthetic post on an Adams goes untouched.


Believe me, after today, orange posts are the least of my worries.....


If you're going to tie parachutes use hair for the posts the way the
good Lord intended. And an orange post on an Adams? That's like putting
an ULA reel on a Summer's Cane rod, that just ain't right.

Wayne
Casting and hopefully blasting in Michigan this weekend myself.

Whereabouts in Mich? We plan on hitting the CCC State Park area.

Dan

Daniel-San wrote:
...
I have come to this group a few times asking for advice or information. You
even responded to one or two of my newbie FF questions. ...

Well, that's just tough **** for you, I never apologize on roff.

... Maybe that makes me an
asshole.

Not yet, but keep trying, roff asshole is a worthy goal.

Maybe that means I have poor timing. But I'm not apologizing for
either. At least not on ROFF.

You have learned well.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Daniel-San wrote:

Whereabouts in Mich? We plan on hitting the CCC State Park area.


I ain't in charge of this trip as far as the blasting goes, the fishing
will probably be in the Grayling area.

"Wayne Knight" wrote...

Daniel-San wrote:

Whereabouts in Mich? We plan on hitting the CCC State Park area.


I ain't in charge of this trip as far as the blasting goes, the fishing
will probably be in the Grayling area.

Well, have fun. What's the blasting for? Deer season start? I was up near
the Claybanks area of the PM a couple weeks ago, and I think some kind of
bird season was happening. Woke up to shotgun blasts.

Dan
Who knows less about hunting than he does about the Civil War......

rw wrote:
Tim J. wrote:
rw typed:

Tim J. wrote:

Daniel-San typed:

The same "Joes" that would answer "What caused the Civil War?"
with "slavery". Absolutely it was a factor, but it was not the
cause.

I don't think it was even much of a factor.

That's an absolute howler. Slavery was overwhelmingly the primary
cause of the Civil War.

I was fed the usual propaganda in school that it wasn't really about
slavery, that is was about states' rights. I later learned, after
educating myself in American history, that this is a rationalization
intended to avoid, ignore, and gloss over the country's racist slave
holding past. If the Civil War was about states' rights, it was
about the rights of states to practice slavery.


. . .which all boiled down to economics and profits. Did slavery
play a part? Absolutely. Was the war about slavery and the rights of
oppressed black men and women? Nope (and that's my point.) Was it
about slavery as a means to profit? Yes. Certainly there were those
concerned with the aberration of slavery, but the predominant
factors were financial considerations.

Oh, I see. It wasn't about slavery. It was about the economy of the
South, which just happened to NEED slavery (or so they thought), and
which was threatened by the abolition of slavery. The South wanted to
retain slavery for economic reasons, and the North wanted to abolish
it for moral reasons. That led to the War. Therefore, slavery was the
issue that caused the war. Q.E.D.

"Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there
been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war."
- Sydney E. Ahlstrome, A Religious History of the American People,
Yale University Press, 1972

"In all this I can see but the doom of slavery. The North do not want,
nor will they want, to interfere with the institution. But they will
refuse for all time to give it protection unless the South shall return
soon to their allegiance." - U.S. Grant, April 19, 1861, in a letter to
his father-in-law, Frederick Dent.

"My inclination is to whip the rebellion into submission, preserving all
Constitutional rights. If it cannot be whipped any other way than
through a war against slavery, let it come to to that legitimately. If
it is necessary that slavery should fall that the Republic may continue
its existence, let slavery go." - U.S Grant, November 27, 1861, in a
letter to his father.

"Take your Q.E.D. and shove it." Tim J, October 25, 2005, on roff, after
seeing that Sir Barnard completely looked past his original point to
make himself look expert on all things. Again.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ...
Daniel-San wrote:
... I have come to this group a few times asking for advice or
information. You even responded to one or two of my newbie FF questions.
...

Well, that's just tough **** for you, I never apologize on roff.

... Maybe that makes me an asshole.

Not yet, but keep trying, roff asshole is a worthy goal.

Maybe that means I have poor timing. But I'm not apologizing for either.
At least not on ROFF.

You have learned well.

--
Ken Fortenberry


You know... I just re-read my sentence on my own Civil War knowledge...
there was supposed to a 'just' before the word slightly.

Hmmmm.....

Dan

"Tim J." wrote in message
...
...Sir Barnard completely looked past his original point to make himself
look expert on all things. Again.

Which point, valid though it is, should not be construed as suggesting that
he succeeded.

Wolfgang
on the other hand, it doesn't necessarily make his assertion wrong either.

"Daniel-San" wrote in message
. ..

Well, have fun. What's the blasting for? Deer season start? I was up near
the Claybanks area of the PM a couple weeks ago, and I think some kind of
bird season was happening. Woke up to shotgun blasts.

I don't hunt bambi any more, family will not eat the meat and I don;t
particularly care for tree stands. Grouse and Woodcock hunting. The
Claybanks area is a fairly productive spot for grouse and woodcock and
that's what you heard.

"Daniel-San" wrote in message
. ..

...I'm sure you have your hot button issues. I do, too.

You're half wrong. Kennie doesn't give a **** about this.....or anything
else.....except insofar as he sees it as an opportunity to make himself look
like a real boy.

Mine include half- or incomplete-history. I believe that wrapping anything
up in pageantry is BS. Tell the whole story or don't tell any story.

Sometimes the whole story isn't a good story. Where history is concerned
this is more often than not the case. Sometimes you want history.
Sometimes it's nice just to hear a good story.

Maybe that makes me an asshole.

Nah, that was done.....or not.....a long time ago.

Maybe that means I have poor timing.

Nah, you just monkey-piled in ROFF. It happens to everybody who sticks
around long enough to acquire a taste for it. It ain't nuthin' to get
worked up about.

But I'm not apologizing for either. At least not on ROFF.

Well, there's ample precedent for that.

Wolfgang