Marine Food Chain Affected by Global Warming

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Bill McKee wrote:
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have
presented references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

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As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the
causes.


Wrong, big time.

The "did not" response is typical of children who cannot give arguments or
rational explanations for their fantasies. The facts under discussion
would
require actually referencing the science or at least an authoritative
condensation such as http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm.



And the first part of the summary negates the complete paper!

"Projects scenarios of future climate change using a wide range of models of
future emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols"

The total focus is on greenhouse gases and aerosols. Not what is the actual
global warming and what are the causes. There is no mention of sun
activity, or ocean temp cycles (El Ninos, La Ninas), Magnetic field affects.
Is a biased report. If you did that in university, you would not receive an
A.

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"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
The "did not" response is typical of children who cannot give arguments
or
rational explanations for their fantasies. The facts under discussion
would
require actually referencing the science or at least an authoritative
condensation such as http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm.



And the first part of the summary negates the complete paper!

"Projects scenarios of future climate change using a wide range of models
of future emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols"

The total focus is on greenhouse gases and aerosols. Not what is the
actual global warming and what are the causes. There is no mention of sun
activity, or ocean temp cycles (El Ninos, La Ninas), Magnetic field
affects. Is a biased report. If you did that in university, you would not
receive an A.

I must say, Bill, that is remarkably lame.
Here's the TOC:

1 The Climate System: an Overview
2 Observed Climate Variability and Change
3 The Carbon Cycle and Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
4 Atmospheric Chemistry and Greenhouse Gases
5 Aerosols, their Direct and Indirect Effects
6 Radiative Forcing of Climate Change
7 Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks
8 Model Evaluation
9 Projections of Future Climate Change
10 Regional Climate Information – Evaluation and Projections
11 Changes in Sea Level
12 Detection of Climate Change and Attribution of Causes
13 Climate Scenario Development
14 Advancing Our Understanding


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"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.


Wrong, big time.


Bill, you are not a scientist. A number of us here are, including myself.
Check out the scientific literature, check out the scientific agencies and
groups. There really is no debate about the cause.

Actually I am scientifically trained. My degrees are in engineering,

As I said, you're no scientist. Engineering is no more science than a car
mechanic is an automotive engineer.

and
bioengineering. If you are a scientist, you are incompetent. The Kyoto
group were all "scientists" The sciences of Psychology, etc.

You are lying. Look at the scientific literature. And are you claiming the
National Academy of Sciences is incompetent? NASA?

"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming.

There are still some who argue for creationism. You're never going to
have
100% agreement. But if you read the scientific literature and look at
what
agencies like NAS, IPCC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, andf AGu say, you'll see it's as
settled as anything gets in science.


You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.


I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net

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Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net


I haven't burned any insulation... :-)

Stinkweed wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that

deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming.

There are still some who argue for creationism. You're never going to
have
100% agreement. But if you read the scientific literature and look at
what
agencies like NAS, IPCC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, andf AGu say, you'll see it's as
settled as anything gets in science.

You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

To give you another analogy, put your butt on the radiator and your
head out the window. You are freezing, but globally you are warming.

As in real estate, location is everything in local temperature.

josh halpern

"Joshua Halpern" wrote in message
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Stinkweed wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that

deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming.

There are still some who argue for creationism. You're never going to
have
100% agreement. But if you read the scientific literature and look at
what
agencies like NAS, IPCC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, andf AGu say, you'll see it's
as
settled as anything gets in science.

You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate,
generally January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally
don't have the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global
Warming right now!
To give you another analogy, put your butt on the radiator and your
head out the window. You are freezing, but globally you are warming.

As in real estate, location is everything in local temperature.

josh halpern

But I don't have a radiator and there is no way I am putting my head out the
window, it is cold out there and besides, haven't you looked at the price of
gas lately. If you pay my gas bill I will do it though. ;-) I don't know
why I said that, I won't, it is cold out there.
OK I understand what you are saying, I am just being Stinkweed. I will
leave you all alone and let you continue your debate. Just thought I would
lighten it up a bit. Hope I didn't offend anyone. ;-)

Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

I haven't burned any insulation...

Then you are a liar. Plastic insulation is made from oil.

When you burn oil, you are removing it from
the future reservoir of cheap plastic insulation.

It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, only worse.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net

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Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who
is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where
I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate,
generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't
have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming
right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

I haven't burned any insulation...

Then you are a liar. Plastic insulation is made from oil.

When you burn oil, you are removing it from
the future reservoir of cheap plastic insulation.

It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, only worse.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net


How do you suggest I heat my house? Bear in mind you are talking to a lady.