Why is this getting no play??

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1


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On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
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2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Maybe for the same reasons Obama's pot and blow usage isn't...

Speaking only for myself, I don't think that anyone who hasn't done a
few wild things in their youth is fit to be a leader as an adult. I
don't begrudge a person their mistakes, only not learning from them.

HTH,
R

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On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
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http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Maybe for the same reasons Obama's pot and blow usage isn't...

Speaking only for myself, I don't think that anyone who hasn't done a
few wild things in their youth is fit to be a leader as an adult. I
don't begrudge a person their mistakes, only not learning from them.

HTH,
R


How many plane crashes do you have to have to show you're not learning from
your mistakes?? At least 4, I imagine.

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On 7 Oct 2008 23:03:57 GMT, Scott Seidman
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On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Maybe for the same reasons Obama's pot and blow usage isn't...

Speaking only for myself, I don't think that anyone who hasn't done a
few wild things in their youth is fit to be a leader as an adult. I
don't begrudge a person their mistakes, only not learning from them.

HTH,
R


How many plane crashes do you have to have to show you're not learning from
your mistakes?? At least 4, I imagine.

How many strikeouts do you have to have to be leading home-run hitter of
all time...? But I see what you're saying...Obama could have a bad day,
get all coked up and high on Thai stick, freak out, and start pushing
buttons or something, whereas McCain shouldn't be allowed to fly fighter
jets anymore...fair enough...

HTH,
R

On Oct 7, 7:08*pm, wrote:
On 7 Oct 2008 23:03:57 GMT, Scott Seidman
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On 7 Oct 2008 22:37:32 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...a-na-aviator6-
2008oct06,0,1670799.story?page=1

Maybe for the same reasons Obama's pot and blow usage isn't...

Speaking only for myself, I don't think that anyone who hasn't done a
few wild things in their youth is fit to be a leader as an adult. *I
don't begrudge a person their mistakes, only not learning from them.

HTH,
R

How many plane crashes do you have to have to show you're not learning from
your mistakes?? *At least 4, I imagine.

How many strikeouts do you have to have to be leading home-run hitter of
all time...? *But I see what you're saying...Obama could have a bad day,
get all coked up and high on Thai stick, freak out, and start pushing
buttons or something, whereas McCain shouldn't be allowed to fly fighter
jets anymore...fair enough...


We paid for the fighter jets and McCain is lucky that he didn't kill
anyone with his joyriding.

On 7 Oct 2008 23:03:57 GMT, Scott Seidman
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How many plane crashes do you have to have to show you're not learning from
your mistakes?? At least 4, I imagine.

How many chances do you need to get out of a war where you are in
constant danger. Kerry left fraudulently. While aboard Forrestal
waiting to go on a sortie, McCain's aircraft was hit by a mis-fired
missle and blew up. McCain got out, rescued the plane captain, and
helped fight the fire. When Forrestal was sent home, *along with her
aircrews*, McCain volunteered to change squadrons and went aboard
Oriskany to continue his duties. It was from Oriskany that he was
shot down. He's a genuine hero, Scott. Stop trying to make him out
to be anything else. You're better than that.

Dave

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He's a genuine hero, Scott. Stop trying to make him out
to be anything else. You're better than that.

He's a hero, Dave, but we're talking about the judgement of a man who
wants to lead the free world.

Before Vietnam, he crashed an AD-6 into Corpus Christi Bay.
"Investigators determined that McCain was watching instruments in his
cockpit that indicated the position of his landing gear and had lost
track of his altitude and speed."

He ran his Skyraider into electrical wires in Spain. McCain himself said
this was because of "daredevil clowning".

He ejected from a T-2 in 1965 over Virginia, crashing the plane into the
woods. "The report found that McCain, then assigned to squadron VT-7 in
Meridian, Miss., had made several errors: He failed to switch the plane's
power system to battery backup, which "seriously jeopardized his survival
chances." His idea of landing on the drag strip was "viewed with concern
and is indicative of questionable emergency procedure.""

He crashed two planes and almost crashed a third before he ever saw
combat.

He probably wouldn't have still been flying by Vietnam if his father
weren't Mr. Big.

Perhaps this explains why less than 10 pages of his military record have
been released, when the full package is rumored to be hundreds of pages.

Cleland was a hero, too, Dave. Why was it OK to post mortem his PH, but
asking why we don't know about McCain's early aviation problems is
questioning his heroism?




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On 7 Oct 2008 23:40:13 GMT, Scott Seidman
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Cleland was a hero, too, Dave. Why was it OK to post mortem his PH,
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Because he didn't EARN a PH. Perhaps Kerry can give him the "friendly
fire" ph he got, or the "rice in the buttocks" ph.

ALL Naval aviators are hot shoes. They couldn't and wouldn't be
pilots unless they were. There are countless stories about hotshoeing
pilots, and I've seen a few myself. Try landing an aircraft on a
little small patch of runway that is moving up and down and going
about 30 mph. Then try to do it at night. Obama would **** his pants
just being IN the aircraft, never mind piloting it. The question you
have to answer is, why did McCain volunteer for continued flights over
VN when his squadron was going home? Why would he volunteer to
continue to fly into harm's way? Ya think it could be because his
country comes first? What the **** has Obama done for this country?
Nada! Zippo! Zilch! He was associated with a pastor for 20 years who
said "God Damn America," and yet he remained in that church. His
mentor was a communist. He pals were domestic terrorists, his present
day advisors are crooks. His wife has never been proud to call
herself American. What has Obama done, Scott? WHAT? And you are
going to vote for this well spoken, untried, untrue, lying
professional politician? Un****inbelievable.

He's gonna be the next postus, so I hope to hell you can tell me WHY
he should be potus. His own VP choice said that McCain is able to
take the office but Obama "isn't ready". That was said by HIS VP
choice. Perhaps you should be voting for the Biden/Obama ticket. He
make no sense whatsoever the other way around. WHAT HAS HE DONE?

Dave

On Oct 7, 7:40*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:

Cleland was a hero, too, Dave. *Why was it OK to post mortem his PH, but
asking why we don't know about McCain's early aviation problems is
questioning his heroism?


.. because Dave's idea of political discourse is to lie.

Dave LaCourse wrote:

... He's a genuine hero, Scott. Stop trying to make him out
to be anything else. You're better than that.

John Kerry is also a genuine hero but that didn't stop the
Swift Boat lies.

Face the facts, Captain McCain was a first-class ****up as
a midshipman and an officer, the only reason it took them
so long to finally drum his ass out of the Navy was because
he was a legacy officer, the son and grandson of Admirals.

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