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On 2009-10-10 17:03:18 -0400, Family-Outdoors said:

On Oct 10, 1:26*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-10-10 13:05:39 -0400, Family-Outdoors said:

On Oct 10, 11:40*am, "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote:
" Respectfully (for now), *Paul *"

ha...i'll give that a week or two.......

You don't think so???? *Of course I can remain respectful...asshole!
Just kidding.
Paul (very respectfully)

"For now" has a threat to it.

Dave:
I do not threaten anyone. Ever. I have no reason to disrespect you.
I am perfectly capable of allowing for the fact that you disagree with
me and still might be a perfectly decent, yet of course misguided,
human being. The "for now" was more an allusion to the reality that I
have noticed that occasionally some of these threads stray to the
absurd. Since we do not know one another, I just wanted to allow for
the possibility that I might have to adopt a less tactful tone. I am
sure it won't be necessary. I am currently enjoying the exchange.

I would find it difficult to join the Democratic Party (there is no
such thing as the Democrat Party...another silly tactic) as I am pro-
life to the degree of militancy and am fiscally conservative beyond
the bounds of any politician I am aware of in any party. While it may
seem that Ken Fortenberry and I may adopt similar stances on this and/
or other matters, I am pretty certain from the posts I have read, he
and I are miles apart philosophically. Even still, I can recognize
that he is coherent in his thought processes.

I am just saying that I have made the personal judgement that the lack
of intelligent thought in the controlling arm of the "conservative"
movement is astounding and I wish to have nothing to do with them. It
is an error in logic to assume I should join the Democratic Party
because I find Tea Party Protestors, Conservative Talk Show Hosts, and
the controlling apparatus of the party to be either deficient in
intellect or in excess of malice.

I did not state that I disliked O'Reilly. I simply stated that
conservatives were not in want of media outlets where they could
listen to their ideology being espoused. I rather like O'Reilly. I
believe he is by-and-large fair and seems to be a smart guy. I also
do not dispute that Reagan did far more than Obama has done and is
likely to do. I believe I mentioned that I DO believe there was a
message being sent in the award of this prize beyond Obama's
accomplishments.

Still Respectfully,
Paul

Fair enough.

Be well.

Dave

not much to report...i have been gettin' skunked lately....
we have fished some awesome spots...not many bites..
landed a few small brookies...beautiful colors...we have spent
some time getting the whaler set up, oiled the teak..took
it out on 3 - 6 sessions at the local lake...she seems to be running
fine...i expect to upgrade the 225 ob to 250 this year...that ought
to give it a nice reserve of power ... and still be pretty quick up
here on the lakes...nice fishing platform for the time being....

not much else to report, other than my dad died last week...after
years of having parkenson's (sp?) ....

cheers

outt....

ps: gettin a new color 3d (sidways sonar) fishfinder this season...i
will
do the install on the whaler and have it ready for spring........






On Oct 10, 4:08*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:43*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
Hello Beanman
Done any fishing lately? How about a trip report or something on
flies, gear etc.? Something about conservation, or your favorite
river, good booze, whatever? Tax season is over. Winter is around the
corner. How about a trip report for the Gipper?
Dave

On 10-Oct-2009, jeff wrote:

my hope is for people, especially those in other countries, to believe
genuinely that our president promotes and desires peaceful solutions. we
are too often a violent short-sighted society, rightly perceived as
such, with petty purposes and ideas. i like having a president who
doesn't fit that mold, and who garners the admiration and respect of
other world leaders...not to mention the nobel committee...

i'm incredibly proud of obama......

though the bewilderingly hostile chasm and wasteland between repubs and
dems, conservatives and liberals, (using those labels in the most
dogmatic sense) keeps us a divided nation, i am seeing more folks (like
paul...and even tim g) in recent months who are willing to express
their dissatisfaction with the way things have been and who are seeking
ways to bridge the divide. it's encouraging... as is a president
awarded the nobel peace prize.


I concur
Especially w the last point about the prize
I hope that Obama can live up to it.

I was hoping that as the first man of color as our Prez that he would reach
out to the other world leadrers in countries like Iran, N Korea and some
third world countries and at least make a few peaceful overtures,...
We shall see but whatever happens Its still better than seeing and hearing
the outright lies & bs from the previous reprobates

Fred

http://www.missourah.com/2009/09/15/...sm-flow-chart/

On 2009-10-10 19:21:09 -0400, "Fred" said:

I concur
Especiall w the last point about the prize
I hope that Obama can live up to it.

Fred, you don't live up to the Nobel Prize. It is given for things you
have already done. Do you think they would give the Science Prize to
my wife if she said she could make light travel faster? That would be
one hell of a discovery. The same holds true for the Peace Prize. My
wife can't make light travel faster than God meant it to travel, and
Obama has done nothing to bring peace to the world. Reagan did more.

Dave

David LaCourse wrote:
"Fred" said:
I concur
Especiall w the last point about the prize
I hope that Obama can live up to it.

Fred, you don't live up to the Nobel Prize. It is given for things you
have already done. Do you think they would give the Science Prize to my
wife if she said she could make light travel faster? That would be one
hell of a discovery. The same holds true for the Peace Prize. My wife
can't make light travel faster than God meant it to travel, and Obama
has done nothing to bring peace to the world. Reagan did more.

Once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee which awards the Peace Prize has
a longstanding reputation for awarding potential. Look at the
recent winners. The 1984 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to
Desmond Tutu for his fight against apartheid. Apartheid didn't
end until 1994. To say that the Peace Price adheres to the
same standard as the "Science Prize" is a display of laughable
ignorance. Especially since there is no Nobel "Science Prize".

You're a moron, Louie. And I'm done with you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 10-Oct-2009, David LaCourse wrote:

I hope that Obama can live up to it.

Dave

I stick by this because the way the world and planet is headed is not
promising for my grandchildren
who are the red headed apples of my eyes

Obama - I thought represented a nice chamge
Whether it will happen or not depends on many factors most out of our
control (we differ here)

so not to belabor any points .. We have our grandcildren, we have our
animals & foul
We have water and fish
and deer all around if necessary

....and the means to protect what we have...
I think that is the best that I can do for my family

The way we were headed was Cheney's war in Iran
And pls note that wars are for money$$$$$ greed and usually little else

Ya kniow *I fish to forget this ****!
I play musuic becaues it takes me away also

Sincerely (always to Dave)
Fred

On Oct 10, 8:11*am, Family-Outdoors wrote:


There is a method of operation that permeates the efforts of the
whacko right. They denigrate ideas of those who are not in their
club. *It is in my opinion, vital to understand that they are not
exclusively taking shots at ideas or positions, but people.

To put a somewhat finer point on it, they are not interested in ideas
at all.

I do not
believe all who oppose Obama do so because of his color, but I believe
it does affect many who do not even know that it does. *The habituated
method of operation of the right as taught by Rove and others is to
viciously oppose people that are not in the club. *(BTW how damn
ridiculous is it to trot out one of the few black conservative
columnists or commentators whenever it is convenient to do so?
Obama's election has certainly benefited them.)

Proof that Obama's ideas are not the target are revealed in areas like
the "death panels." *The idea of end of life counseling being covered
by medicare was originally floated by conservatives. *When it became
part of healthcare reform, Palin and others wrapped it in a different
package and pounced. *Many of Obama's positions are consistent with
portions of what the right desires. *But he isn't in the club. *Sounds
a little childish.

Winning the Nobel Prize is like throwing meat to the lions. *When you
hear them say, "We just can't figure out what he won it for," *what it
really means to many of them is that they just need a little time to
formulate a smear campaign based on this new dynamic. *What it means
to the rest, is they are SO small minded, they honestly are incapable
of realizing... a)how much damage Bush did to our country domestically
and abroad, destroying a large portion of the respected status we
had. *He also failed miserably to capitalize on the genuine sympathy
availed to us after 9-11...b) Why an international organization would
send a message (as it clearly is) saying congratulations on replacing
an abject foreign policy failure with a man who at the very least is
communicating the ideas that will promote peace.

What an international organization is doing isn't quite as clear to me
as it seems to be to you.....let alone their motivation for doing so.
However, let us, for the sake of argument, suppose that your
assessment is correct. That makes the Nobel committee about as
puerile (though not quite so reprehensible) as those whom they seek to
criticise without having the balls to state clearly, simply, and
unequivocally that Bush et al. were, and remain, a pack of pigs.
Meanwhile, a comprehensive record of Mr. Obama's foregin policy
successes and failures remains to be written.....should take about
another three and a half or seven and a half years if I understand the
rudiments of national government in this country.

I will remain a sidelined conservative until the leaders of
conservatism turn from these tactics and the morons of the
conservative media are taken down.

Don't hold your breath.

giles

On Oct 10, 9:17*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-10-10 09:11:07 -0400, Family-Outdoors said:





On Oct 10, 6:19*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Jon wrote:
"Tim J." wrote:
Ooooooo, another nomination. This one is for the most ironic post of t
he
century.

Not a bad nomination, but it's a little early on in the process,
no? *:-)

Okay, somebody explain the "irony" because I don't get it.

If you're trying to point out that some folks on the left
thought Shrub could do nothing right so it's now "ironic"
to hear those folks complain about the same behavior from
the right, you're being simple-minded, shallow and stupid.

But that can't be what you guys mean, right ? I mean you guys
wouldn't be so clueless as to compare being upset with a
president who lies to the country so as to lead it into unnecessary
war with being upset with a president who was awarded the Nobel
Peace Prize. Would you ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

There is a method of operation that permeates the efforts of the
whacko right. They denigrate ideas of those who are not in their
club. *It is in my opinion, vital to understand that they are not
exclusively taking shots at ideas or positions, but people.

Duh. *Change whacko right to whacko left and you might get a clue. *Why
do you think Tim used the word "irony?" *He should have used the word
hypocricy.

*I do not
believe all who oppose Obama do so because of his color, but I believe
it does affect many who do not even know that it does.

Zzzzzzzzzz

The habituated
method of operation of the right as taught by Rove and others is to
viciously oppose people that are not in the club.

Change Rove to Pelosi or Reid or Kennedy or Murther or et al.

*(BTW how damn
ridiculous is it to trot out one of the few black conservative
columnists or commentators whenever it is convenient to do so?
Obama's election has certainly benefited them.)

Obama's election has benefited NO ONE yet. *He hasn't done anything. *
He's still campaigning.



Proof that Obama's ideas are not the target are revealed in areas like
the "death panels." *The idea of end of life counseling being covered
by medicare was originally floated by conservatives. *When it became
part of healthcare reform, Palin and others wrapped it in a different
package and pounced. *Many of Obama's positions are consistent with
portions of what the right desires. *But he isn't in the club. *Sounds
a little childish.

Yes, you do.



Winning the Nobel Prize is like throwing meat to the lions. *When you
hear them say, "We just can't figure out what he won it for," *what it
really means to many of them is that they just need a little time to
formulate a smear campaign based on this new dynamic. *What it means
to the rest, is they are SO small minded, they honestly are incapable
of realizing... a)how much damage Bush did to our country domestically
and abroad, destroying a large portion of the respected status we
had. *He also failed miserably to capitalize on the genuine sympathy
availed to us after 9-11...b) Why an international organization would
send a message (as it clearly is) saying congratulations on replacing
an abject foreign policy failure with a man who at the very least is
communicating the ideas that will promote peace.

In other words, the Nobel folks have an anti-conservative agenda. *Correct.



I will remain a sidelined conservative until the leaders of
conservatism turn from these tactics and the morons of the
conservative media are taken down.

And what of the morons of the liberal media, too numerous to even
consider listing on this page?

Idiot.

Pig,

Filth.

g.

On Oct 10, 11:40*am, "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote:
" Respectfully (for now), *Paul *"

ha...i'll give that a week or two.......

Moron.

g.