BPS Hook are NOT for tournament anglers...

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings, due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0, 3/0,
4/0)

Mustad's work ok for me..I use EWG black nickel..

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
wrote:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings, due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0, 3/0,
4/0)


I quickly gave up on the BPS hooks for the exact same reason. I would
straighten them on lily pads. Gammy's, Texposers and Daiichi are all I
use.

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

I like Texposer hooks but I had one break when I was taking a fish off
now I wonder about them..

I like Texposer hooks but I had one break when I was taking a fish off
now I wonder about them..

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings, due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0, 3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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I love those red gammy's, don't think I bought anything else from them
except red this year


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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.

"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.
Charles,
I thought the red was a "red herring" (pun) at first, but looking back
at the change when I would switch to them, I have to say they make a
difference. Then I thought back to the small spinners I use for Trout
and how I increased my catch ratio by putting a tiny piece of red yarn
on the hook shank. I have plain steel, but I don't think I'll use
anything but red now. Although a short red yarn streamer might not be
a bad idea.

Chris,
Why do you like the Diachi's? I know I like the Gammies because I can
get the thinner wire hooks that I like and appear to me to have the
strength I am looking for. I have yet to have one bend or break with
a fish on. The points seem to stay sharp longer too. I have to admit
I have not tried the Diachi hooks. Yet.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook. When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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Dan,

Remember during the NWC, I pulled 2 Gammies open on Day 2? Gammies are very
sharp, and the thinner wire seems to help with quick penetration, but the
thinner wire I believe is also what kills those hooks, especially using
power-pro (or any super braid for that matter).
Daiichi are thicker than Gammies, and are as sharp if not sharper. The hook
point penetrates cleanly and doesn't cut , which could lead to the hook
backing itself out as it rotates in the fishes mouth. Cutting edge hooks
dull to quickly, and bend to easy at the point. Oxidation doesn't seem to
really be a factor (as I say this I opened my steelhead jig box to find 2
hair jigs made with daiichi hooks with rust on them......), but those are
the only 2 I have had rot on me. I have used everything from a #8 Daiichi
jig hook, and a #8 Salmon egg hook for steelhead and wouldn't trade them for
anything. Again my friends and I have experimented over the last 5 years
with every hook we could get our hands on and every single one of us goes
for the Daiichi. I pour all the jigs for our group (6 of us) for steelhead
and bass and if you asked each of them they would prefer Daiichi with money
on the line.

Dan, 100's of Steelhead, 100's of Bass, 100's of King and Coho Salmon, I
have seen hooks straightened, bent points, oxidation, and fish just pull out
for no reason at all. I don't take any chances any more, trophies are so
few and far between and from a tournament aspect, I can't afford to lose any
fish at all!

Just my $1.02

Chris
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

For one... I can't seem to get my baits to lay straight on them. The gap
is
fine, but the point is a little too much inline with the eye giving me the
trouble. With the BPS hooks, I can rig in the dark with no problems. I
know
this may all be in my head, but I seem to miss more fish with them.

I think I'm going to pick up some of the Diachi hooks next time I'm out. I
haven't tried them yet.

Red? Hmm... guess I could try them too. Usually, I get the black nickle
hooks.
Charles,
I thought the red was a "red herring" (pun) at first, but looking back
at the change when I would switch to them, I have to say they make a
difference. Then I thought back to the small spinners I use for Trout
and how I increased my catch ratio by putting a tiny piece of red yarn
on the hook shank. I have plain steel, but I don't think I'll use
anything but red now. Although a short red yarn streamer might not be
a bad idea.

Chris,
Why do you like the Diachi's? I know I like the Gammies because I can
get the thinner wire hooks that I like and appear to me to have the
strength I am looking for. I have yet to have one bend or break with
a fish on. The points seem to stay sharp longer too. I have to admit
I have not tried the Diachi hooks. Yet.



"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:32:57 -0500, "Charles B. Summers"
sent into the ether:

I lost a fish yesterday that definately would have helped my standings,
due
to a bad hook. I generally have no problems with the BPS hooks, but
then
again, every now and then I get one that wants to bend very easily.
Yesterday was a good example. I set the hook on a fish and missed. I
knew
good and well that he was there and felt the fish as I set the hook.
When
I
reeled in my line, I noticed the the hook was bent like I had hung up
on
a
rock... except there wasn't enough pressure for a bend like that. I
examined
the hook to find that I could easily bend that thing in any direction I
wanted to, and it would remain in that position.

So, I'm going to be looking for another hook that I can use and won't
bend.
I've tried the gammy's and the owners, but didn't like the gammys and
the
owners are way too expensive. Anyone have any suggestions? (EWG - 2/0,
3/0,
4/0)

Why didn't you like the Gammies Charles. I love those hooks. I have
yet to get a bad one. I try to stay with the lighter wire styles
instead of the heavier ones. Now I have started using the reds. I
actually think the reds are making a difference.

Depending on what I am doing I use 1/0, 2/0, 3/0 or 4/0. All are
offset style straight worm hooks used Texas style for the most part.
I have some big craws I started using and was wondering do they make a
5/0?

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