Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:22:37 -0700, Mike
wrote:

You are the only ones continuing this thread.

Too funny, Mike. There are 58 replies to the OP and you have 25 of
them (soon to be 26 when you answer this). Now, really, who do *you*
think is keeping this thread alive.... me or you?

The OP will do just fine with a commercial fly line. He need not
learn how to make/attach/cast/use/etc. a shooting head. And do you
know why, Mike? HE DOESN'T NEED ONE! He lives in the same area as
Ken Fortenberry, and Ken has given him some good advice as to rod and
line, and where to fish.

I understand that you hosted a little gathering in Germany of some
roffians a few years ago. I also understand that the catching wasn't
very good. Tell ya what, Mike. You fly into Boston this Sept., I'll
take you up to my camp and we'll fish the Rapid, West Branch of the
Penobscott, East Outlook of Moosehead, a couple of secret spots, and
maybe the Kennebago. I'll guarantee you won't need a shooting head,
and you will catch fish, lots of them. Big brookies and landlocks.
I'll let you use my Winston LT5 with Abel reel and WF5F line. You
won't need anything else. And if you wanna chuck some big Grey Ghosts
(#2, 10x long), I'll give you my 7 weight with a Lamson 3.5 and
sinking line with shooting head, if it makes you feel better. But
I'll catch more fish than you and never make a cast of more than ten
feet of line and 9 of leader. Now, do you REALLY think I need a
shooting head for a 19 ft cast? Really! Catch a flight to Boston,
Mike, sometime in September.

Dave

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:28:43 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:


Mike typed:
On Aug 14, 2:50 am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:47:08 -0700, Mike
wrote:

I have explained it often enough, but you either don´t read what I
write, or don´t care, so there is little point in my repeating it
yet again.

Mike, read my lips: NO ONE CARES. We are happy catching big brook
trout, browns, rainbows and all the different species of salmon
using...... wait for it.............. commercial WF lines

No big deal.

Egads! You are *finally* getting it. No big deal!

Well if you don´t care, why are you making such a song and dance about
it?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the POTW.

Ladies and gentl...well, know-it-alls, don't-care-at-alls, assholes,
puerile miscreants, and other assorted nuts, I give you a pretty sad
week.

Puerily,
R

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:02:36 -0700, Mike
wrote:

If it were true that you "don´t care" , then you are the last person
anybody should take any advice from. I care a great deal about giving
good advice to novices, but what a stupid hidebound old fart like you
has to say about is irrelevant to me.

See, there you go again with the name calling. It is the first sign
that you have lost the debate (as far as you are concerned). When you
lose, Mike, you start with the name calling. My advice is what Ken
Fortenberry said at the beginning of this thread. He doesn't need a
shooting head. A commercial fly line will do him and 99.9% of all fly
fishermen just fine. You answered in with your ridiculous shooting
heads ONLY because it was Fortenberry and you wanted to stick the
knife in a little deeper.

As you are obviously incapable of any sensible discussion, and think
your totally uninformed and biased opinions are inviolate, I wont
bother replying to any more of your silly missives.

Oh, if only.......... You are obsessed with roff and you will
continue to haunt me and this place until you die. It is like a
poison in your blood stream, Mike, but you have become addicted to it
and love the pain it gives. You'll answer because it is in your blood
to do so.

Dave (The stupid hidebound old fart that catches more fish in a summer
than you've caught in a decade.)

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:04:31 -0700, Mike
wrote:

And of course, you get two brand new lines for the price of one.

Uh, duh. Those of us that have been fishing for any length of time
greater than 5 years KNOW this, Mike. Some of us have actually used
this technique. As far as screwing up a fly line by putting it all on
the reel, you are incorrect. Any good reel will hold a 90 foot fly
line with lots of backing. I used a double taper many years ago and
after a couple of seasons, swapped ends. The "new" one worked just
fine - no kinks or knots or breaks or anything. I for one do not like
to fish with my backing out. Fiftey feet of flyline with a knot on
the bitter end to another material, be it fly line or backing, is not
my cup of tea.

Of course ymmv

Dave

On Aug 14, 4:31 am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:22:37 -0700, Mike
wrote:

You are the only ones continuing this thread.

Too funny, Mike. There are 58 replies to the OP and you have 25 of
them (soon to be 26 when you answer this). Now, really, who do *you*
think is keeping this thread alive.... me or you?

The OP will do just fine with a commercial fly line. He need not
learn how to make/attach/cast/use/etc. a shooting head. And do you
know why, Mike? HE DOESN'T NEED ONE! He lives in the same area as
Ken Fortenberry, and Ken has given him some good advice as to rod and
line, and where to fish.

I understand that you hosted a little gathering in Germany of some
roffians a few years ago. I also understand that the catching wasn't
very good. Tell ya what, Mike. You fly into Boston this Sept., I'll
take you up to my camp and we'll fish the Rapid, West Branch of the
Penobscott, East Outlook of Moosehead, a couple of secret spots, and
maybe the Kennebago. I'll guarantee you won't need a shooting head,
and you will catch fish, lots of them. Big brookies and landlocks.
I'll let you use my Winston LT5 with Abel reel and WF5F line. You
won't need anything else. And if you wanna chuck some big Grey Ghosts
(#2, 10x long), I'll give you my 7 weight with a Lamson 3.5 and
sinking line with shooting head, if it makes you feel better. But
I'll catch more fish than you and never make a cast of more than ten
feet of line and 9 of leader. Now, do you REALLY think I need a
shooting head for a 19 ft cast? Really! Catch a flight to Boston,
Mike, sometime in September.

Dave

I really don´t know why I bother, but here goes anyway.

The original poster was asking for advice on how to improve his
fishing on a tight budget.How to fish better into a wind etc He did
not ask about the capabilities or otherwise of 55 dollar fly lines, or
how to catch trout in Labrador, what a great fisherman you and others
are, or about any of the other totally irrelevant bull**** you and
others keep spouting.

The advice given by others is none of my business, and I would
consider it boorish to comment on it. I give what I think is good
advice, and they give theirs. The people so addressed can take it or
leave it, mine or theirs, it is no skin off my nose either way. You
and others however, have little or no interest in giving advice to
anybody, by your own admission, you "don´t care", but you keep on
attacking what I say, and me personally, in a most ignorant and stupid
fashion, and stating what you consider to be your absolute and
inviolate opinions, which you maintain are correct simply because you
say so, and brook no argument, despite your total lack of facts or
evidence to back them up. This in the face of simple and obvious
facts. Serving also to confuse and muddy the issue for any novices who
might be seriously interested.

Just because 99.9% of any particular group does something or other
does not mean it is the best way to do it, or is even remotely
sensible.

My replies were, in the main, not to the original poster, but mainly
futile attempts at explaining obvious facts to you and others.

It wasn´t Germany, it was Denmark, for salt water sea-trout fishing
and we were unlucky with the weather. Only myself and one other
participant caught fish. The fishing was very difficult indeed,
disappointingly so, but that´s just how it goes.

Now, so that there is absolutely no question of any misunderstanding
whatsoever. I would not fish with you, or anybody else from this
newsgroup under any circumstances whatsoever. You and others have done
your level best on various occasions to insult and provoke me, hold me
to ridicule, and generally behave like assholes, and I don´t fish
with assholes.

Your money, your opportunities, your equipment, and your manners don´t
impress me one bit. Your egocentric overbearing bull**** nonsense gets
up my nose.

I don´t compete with other people when I am fishing, it is only
something idiots and people with serious inadequacies feel obliged to
do. Whether or not you catch more fish than I do is also totally
irrelevant, ( and unlikely anyway) , but I have no need to boast about
what I catch, or indeed about anything else. Indeed I rarely even
discuss it at all. I fish for myself, not to impress anybody else.

I hope that was clear enough for you?

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:08:31 -0700, Mike
wrote:

I really don´t know why I bother, but here goes anyway.

The original poster was asking for advice on how to improve his
fishing on a tight budget.How to fish better into a wind etc He did
not ask about the capabilities or otherwise of 55 dollar fly lines, or
how to catch trout in Labrador, what a great fisherman you and others
are, or about any of the other totally irrelevant bull**** you and
others keep spouting.

And Ken Fortenberry gave him the best advice. Period. End of thread
until you came blathering in.

The advice given by others is none of my business, and I would
consider it boorish to comment on it. I give what I think is good
advice, and they give theirs. The people so addressed can take it or
leave it, mine or theirs, it is no skin off my nose either way. You
and others however, have little or no interest in giving advice to
anybody, by your own admission, you "don´t care", but you keep on
attacking what I say, and me personally, in a most ignorant and stupid
fashion, and stating what you consider to be your absolute and
inviolate opinions, which you maintain are correct simply because you
say so, and brook no argument, despite your total lack of facts or
evidence to back them up. This in the face of simple and obvious
facts. Serving also to confuse and muddy the issue for any novices who
might be seriously interested.

Fortenberry's advice was on the spot. Why do 99% of flyfishermen use
commercial flylines? Because they *WORK*. If he wants a cheap fly
line, they are out there and he can get a double taper and turn it
around when one end is too worn. Simple advice. Fortenberry covered
it all. End of Thread.

Just because 99.9% of any particular group does something or other
does not mean it is the best way to do it, or is even remotely
sensible.

No. Only the Conner way is the true way. He knows all there is to
know about fly fishing. If he has not spoken or written about it, it
does not exist. Mike Connor, Savior of The Fly Fishing World. The
greatest fly fisher of all time, but sadly, not the greatest fish
catcher of all time. In fact, he catches very few fish, preferring
instead to tell everyone how great and knowledgable he is on ALL
things flyfishing. sigh

My replies were, in the main, not to the original poster, but mainly
futile attempts at explaining obvious facts to you and others.

Mike, we've been listening to your self congradulatory for years. We
*know* how "great" you are Mike. You've told us over and over. We've
all listened to you blather on about shooting heads, loading the rod,
presentation, tying flies, ad nauseam. You are the man, Mike. The
rest of us don't know **** about fly fishing, yet we are very
successful in catching the little buggers. Wot?

It wasn´t Germany, it was Denmark, for salt water sea-trout fishing
and we were unlucky with the weather. Only myself and one other
participant caught fish. The fishing was very difficult indeed,
disappointingly so, but that´s just how it goes.

Damn. Geography used to be my favorite subject in school. How could
I have made such a major mistake.

Now, so that there is absolutely no question of any misunderstanding
whatsoever. I would not fish with you, or anybody else from this
newsgroup under any circumstances whatsoever. You and others have done
your level best on various occasions to insult and provoke me, hold me
to ridicule, and generally behave like assholes, and I don´t fish
with assholes.

There you go again with the name calling. whistle I win. Again!
This is too easy.

Your money, your opportunities, your equipment, and your manners don´t
impress me one bit.

Uh, wasn't try to impress you, old chap.

Your egocentric overbearing bull**** nonsense gets
up my nose.

Well, I guess that's better than some other places. Wot?

I don´t compete with other people when I am fishing, it is only
something idiots and people with serious inadequacies feel obliged to
do.

Neither do I. I don't know any other roffian that does.

Whether or not you catch more fish than I do is also totally
irrelevant, ( and unlikely anyway) , but I have no need to boast about
what I catch, or indeed about anything else. Indeed I rarely even
discuss it at all. I fish for myself, not to impress anybody else.

Yeah, I fish for myself too, about 100 days a year. Most times I
catch what I'm after, but I do, like others, get skunked now and then.
Who doesn't, right?


I hope that was clear enough for you?

Uh, quite clear Mike. In fact I was wrong with my message count. Of
the 58 messages in this thread (at that time) you had 26, so it is
clear that YOU are keeping this thread alive. You must love banging
your big head against the wall. Hey, you said in your last post to
me, and I quote, "As you are obviously incapable of any sensible
discussion, and think your totally uninformed and biased opinions are
inviolate, I wont bother replying to any more of your silly missives."

And yet, here you are. Good old predictable Mike. Grab your cape,
Mike, and swishhhh, you'll be gone.

Dave
(egocentric overbearing bull**** asshole, who doesn't need or want a
home-made shooting head)

ps: Now ya have 27 posts out of 60. Almost 50%, Mike. Ya gotta try
harder, there, buddy.

Mike wrote in news:1187060911.465928.19530
@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

How to fish better into a wind etc

I guess yo have some reading between the lines skills, because this was
nowhere in his post.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

I'm the original poster on this thread. I just joined this group less
than a year ago when I began thinking about learning how to fly fish.
I live in a place (Central Illinois -- West of Ken's location) where
very few people fly fish, so it's not easy to get local help. Even
though this newsgroup gets pretty animated and folks disagree on
things, it is a huge help to newbies like me. I search the archives
and find out all kinds of helpful information. For what its worth, I
even appreciate the opposing views, due to the fact I can evaluate all
of the information and then make up my own mind on what to do or not
do.

One thing is clear. People here have a true passion for fly fishing,
and that's a good thing. Mike and Ken sure disagree on things in this
thread, but I appreciated hearing what both had to say. So thanks
guys. Hey, maybe it's a good thing we live far apart in this NG so we
don't kill each other over our fly fishing views :-)

On Aug 14, 6:22 am, mdk77 wrote:
I'm the original poster on this thread. I just joined this group less
than a year ago when I began thinking about learning how to fly fish.
I live in a place (Central Illinois -- West of Ken's location) where
very few people fly fish, so it's not easy to get local help. Even
though this newsgroup gets pretty animated and folks disagree on
things, it is a huge help to newbies like me. I search the archives
and find out all kinds of helpful information. For what its worth, I
even appreciate the opposing views, due to the fact I can evaluate all
of the information and then make up my own mind on what to do or not
do.

One thing is clear. People here have a true passion for fly fishing,
and that's a good thing. Mike and Ken sure disagree on things in this
thread, but I appreciated hearing what both had to say. So thanks
guys. Hey, maybe it's a good thing we live far apart in this NG so we
don't kill each other over our fly fishing views :-)

One more thing about flylines. They are overpriced and subject to
discounts. Check eBay from time to time. Check the clearances at
Orvise and Cabelas. Cheap lines you buy at Wall mart and Bass Pro
will last a couple of years.
To band to hear what Kenny said about Clinton Lake. They were
supposed to keep alot of trees standing and keep motors out of parts
of it. They ordered a couple of million dollars worth of fish for
it. I left before they let you fish it. Is there any fish left in
Weldon Springs? It use to be a good crappie lake.

On Aug 14, 9:29 am, BJ Conner wrote:
On Aug 14, 6:22 am, mdk77 wrote:



I'm the original poster on this thread. I just joined this group less
than a year ago when I began thinking about learning how to fly fish.
I live in a place (Central Illinois -- West of Ken's location) where
very few people fly fish, so it's not easy to get local help. Even
though this newsgroup gets pretty animated and folks disagree on
things, it is a huge help to newbies like me. I search the archives
and find out all kinds of helpful information. For what its worth, I
even appreciate the opposing views, due to the fact I can evaluate all
of the information and then make up my own mind on what to do or not
do.

One thing is clear. People here have a true passion for fly fishing,
and that's a good thing. Mike and Ken sure disagree on things in this
thread, but I appreciated hearing what both had to say. So thanks
guys. Hey, maybe it's a good thing we live far apart in this NG so we
don't kill each other over our fly fishing views :-)

One more thing about flylines. They are overpriced and subject to
discounts. Check eBay from time to time. Check the clearances at
Orvise and Cabelas. Cheap lines you buy at Wall mart and Bass Pro
will last a couple of years.
To band to hear what Kenny said about Clinton Lake. They were
supposed to keep alot of trees standing and keep motors out of parts
of it. They ordered a couple of million dollars worth of fish for
it. I left before they let you fish it. Is there any fish left in
Weldon Springs? It use to be a good crappie lake.

I haven't fished Weldon Springs in years, but it used to be solid lake
for Crappie, Bluegills and Bass. I don't fish the bigger lakes like
Clinton. The largest lake I fly fish around here is Lake Evergreen.
It is exceptional and I caught a very nice Largemouth there a few
weeks ago on a streamer. Evergreen has it all for fly fishing with
great Crappie, Gils, Bass and a huge population of Muskie (they
shocked the lake not long ago and found a 50" Muskie -- this would be
a new State record -- and ~30% of the Muskies are 38" or longer. I
cannot even imagine what a BIG Musky would be like on my little #6
KPOC fly rod :-) but I sure would like to find out!!!!!!!!!

Mostly I fish smaller lakes and ponds around here. I even fish over
my lunch hour at a small nearby lake (at work we call Friday "Fishing
Friday" and we pile into my car and go fishing over lunch). I'm
saving my nickles for a canoe for next season............and when I
show up at work with a canoe on top of the car then they will finally
KNOW that I'm crazy & over-the-edge.

BTW, I've heard that there is excellent Smallmouth fishing in the
Kickapoo Creek SE of Bloomington, but I haven't tried that yet. I
guess you just can't squeeze enough fishing into one lifetime, no
matter how hard you try :-)