It's looking more and more like Palin and The Old Dude '08 and here's a reason...

Oh, ok, I hate it when you're right...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...re-idiots.html

Jon.

wrote:
Oh, ok, I hate it when you're right...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...re-idiots.html

Jon.

Well, I suppose that makes me one because I clicked on it more that
twice expecting something to show up.

:-(

Russell

Or insane I guess.

Russell D. wrote:
wrote:
Oh, ok, I hate it when you're right...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...re-idiots.html

Jon.

Well, I suppose that makes me one because I clicked on it more that
twice expecting something to show up.

:-(

Russell

Or insane I guess.

Whew, never mind--my browser was wigged out. Restart fixed it.

Russell

wrote:
On Sep 23, 3:22 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

American voter is so g**d*** stupid they'll probably get elected.

And jeff wrote:

I'm with Maher on this one - our voters are a scary crowd of folks
in their decision-making process.

I've said this before, but it's worth saying again. If this is the
typical Dem's view of the average American public, then they deserve
not to get elected. It's been this exact attitude that's lost them the
last two elections, which they should have both easily won, and if
they make it three in a row, maybe they'll finally do some navel
gazing. But if they persist in blaming the American voter as being to
stupid to vote for them, they deserve what they get.

Take care,

Jon.

Have you spent much time talking with folks of diverse backgrounds and
socioeconomic levels about their choices and the reasons for their
choices? Unlike Ken's comment, though I agree we have a terribly
uninformed electorate who seem to make decisions on the most superficial
level and often on single issues or even mistaken beliefs, my comment
was less direct and simply referenced how scary the decision-making
process has become. ...and it applies to voters of both major parties.
Look at the negative, superficial nature of the political campaigns.
It's all directed at sound-bite impulse buying. Why is that? Do you
think it's because either party regards voters as intelligent consumers
of such dogma?

McCain and Palin have made numerous demonstrably false statements in
their public statements about their positions and about Obama's. I am
amazed at the number of people I talk with who believe those statements
are true...they recite them drone-like. A significant number think
offshore drilling is going to have an immediate beneficial impact on
their gas prices. Recall the number of voters who believed Iraq had
responsibility for 9/11. Why is that?

I doubt I'm the typical Dem. I'm pretty sure Ken isn't.

jeff

On Sep 24, 11:43 am, wrote:

Jon, so let me understand this. Are you saying that the Ds lost the
last 2 elections because some "typical Dem's" said that the average
voter is not fully informed?

No, I'm saying that their disdain for the average American shows
through at stump time, and the average American doesn't like being
talked down to that way. E.g, the bitter clinging to God and guns
comment.

Things might be bad enough this time around that they win, but that
it's even a race ought to be telling to the Democratic party...

Why did you vote for Shrub?

Didn't know you could hack in to election records. I've voted split
ticket at the _federal_ level for as many elections as I can remember,
and IIRC I've never told anyone but family who I've voted for...I'm
not about to start affirming or denying now...either party is welcome
to blame the mess on me! :-)

Jon.
PS: And in most elections I'd much rather just vote none of the above,
as I feel I'm really just trying to pick the lesser of two evils.

wrote:
On Sep 24, 11:43 am, wrote:
Jon, so let me understand this. Are you saying that the Ds lost the
last 2 elections because some "typical Dem's" said that the average
voter is not fully informed?

No, I'm saying that their disdain for the average American shows
through at stump time, and the average American doesn't like being
talked down to that way. E.g, the bitter clinging to God and guns
comment.

Amongst the elitist, disdainful Americans I know who actually
have family/friends of the god and guns variety the typical
first reaction was "Oh my gawd, that is *so* spot on" followed
soon thereafter by a simple, "Oh my gawd". Yeah, the Dems have
got to find some amiable dunces, like Reagan and Shrub, and get
over this annoying propensity to nominate folks with, you know,
functioning brains.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:35:12 -0400, Jeff wrote:

wrote:
On Sep 23, 3:22 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

American voter is so g**d*** stupid they'll probably get elected.

And jeff wrote:

I'm with Maher on this one - our voters are a scary crowd of folks
in their decision-making process.

I've said this before, but it's worth saying again. If this is the
typical Dem's view of the average American public, then they deserve
not to get elected. It's been this exact attitude that's lost them the
last two elections, which they should have both easily won, and if
they make it three in a row, maybe they'll finally do some navel
gazing. But if they persist in blaming the American voter as being to
stupid to vote for them, they deserve what they get.

Take care,

Jon.

Have you spent much time talking with folks of diverse backgrounds and
socioeconomic levels about their choices and the reasons for their
choices? Unlike Ken's comment, though I agree we have a terribly
uninformed electorate who seem to make decisions on the most superficial
level and often on single issues or even mistaken beliefs, my comment
was less direct and simply referenced how scary the decision-making
process has become. ...and it applies to voters of both major parties.
Look at the negative, superficial nature of the political campaigns.
It's all directed at sound-bite impulse buying. Why is that? Do you
think it's because either party regards voters as intelligent consumers
of such dogma?

McCain and Palin have made numerous demonstrably false statements in
their public statements about their positions and about Obama's. I am
amazed at the number of people I talk with who believe those statements
are true...they recite them drone-like.

And Obama has done the exact same thing, with folks reciting
drone-like...

A significant number think
offshore drilling is going to have an immediate beneficial impact on
their gas prices.

Because they will and did. Keep in mind how oil and gasoline prices are
set. The mere threat that offshore drilling would be opened up caused a
downward price move. What it will not do is have an immediate impact on
supply, but again, oil prices aren't set by supply and demand.

Recall the number of voters who believed Iraq had
responsibility for 9/11. Why is that?

I'm not so sure that the number of people who actually thought that is
the same as the number certain surveys claimed.

I doubt I'm the typical Dem. I'm pretty sure Ken isn't.

Please. You wanted Edwards, and then Obama. He wanted Obama. Hell,
even his own running mate said McCain would make a good Prez and Obama
wasn't qualified...well, until he got his dick slammed in the door, but
wound up on the ticket, and now, suddenly, Obama is Jesus on a donkey
and McCain isn't fit to shovel ****.

HTH,
R

jeff

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:09:52 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
On Sep 24, 11:43 am, wrote:
Jon, so let me understand this. Are you saying that the Ds lost the
last 2 elections because some "typical Dem's" said that the average
voter is not fully informed?

No, I'm saying that their disdain for the average American shows
through at stump time, and the average American doesn't like being
talked down to that way. E.g, the bitter clinging to God and guns
comment.

Amongst the elitist, disdainful Americans I know who actually
have family/friends of the god and guns variety the typical
first reaction was "Oh my gawd, that is *so* spot on"

Er, yeah...among the God and guns crowd, the use of the phrase "that is
*so* spot on..." is only exceeded by the use of the phrase, "Good lord,
Liz, I should expect that the Queen of England would not be so gauche as
to pass the port to starboard...Phil, would you mind awfully backhanding
yo bitch..."

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
... E.g, the bitter clinging to God and guns
comment.
Amongst the elitist, disdainful Americans I know who actually
have family/friends of the god and guns variety the typical
first reaction was "Oh my gawd, that is *so* spot on"

Er, yeah...among the God and guns crowd, the use of the phrase "that is
*so* spot on..." is only exceeded by the use of the phrase, "Good lord,
Liz, I should expect that the Queen of England would not be so gauche as
to pass the port to starboard...Phil, would you mind awfully backhanding
yo bitch..."

What exactly did you mean by that ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

wrote:


Please. You wanted Edwards, and then Obama. He wanted Obama.

hell...indeed...please, you're obviously confused.

Hell, even his own running mate said McCain would make a good Prez and Obama
wasn't qualified...well, until he got his dick slammed in the door, but
wound up on the ticket, and now, suddenly, Obama is Jesus on a donkey
and McCain isn't fit to shovel ****.

mccain isn't fit to shovel ****...but palin seems qualified. think
about it...

hth too...

jeff