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I think it possible that neither Kerry nor Edwards will be nominated. A
draft
Hillary movement could prevail.

At any rate, it almost doesn't matter to me anymore. Getting too old I
guess.
Dave

The thought of another Clinton Presidency is thoroughly repellent. This may
well be the most frightening political possibility I've heard today.
There's something about Hillary that sets my back teeth on edge. I feel
very much the same way about her that I feel about Ashcroft.

But the day you quit caring, Dave, is the day they give someone your folded
flag.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

Fortenberry writes:

You're wrong about Kerry's war record, the men who served with him
know the truth of it. You're the last person on earth I would have
expected to spit on a Vietnam Vet, but your partisan politics seems
to trump even your military allegiance.

I had thought better of you than that.


I *question* his war record. Not everyone gets a Silver Star. Ask the grunts
at Khe Sahn. You earn it and I simply question how he won it. Who signed off
on it.

But, most of all, I question is behavior when he returned and turned his back
on his fellow vets, calling them all sorts of names and accusing them all of
doing things that just weren't true for all of them. And, his alliance with
Hanoi Jane was the last straw. He is despised by most VN vets.


Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From: Ken Fortenberry
snip
If I could remember ANYTHING from 1972, other than a three
finger lid of leafy Mexican cost $15, it would be a friggin'
miracle. ;-)

So the fact you were drugged out while dubya was in the guard somehow
makes you
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
superior? Fukkin amazing.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Geez, when I was student back then, just smoking grass didn't count as being
"drugged out." :-)



George Adams
snip
Cheers, and tight lines,
-Mark

LaCourse wrote:
Fortenberry writes:

You're wrong about Kerry's war record, the men who served with him
know the truth of it. ...

... He is despised by most VN vets.

You're wrong about that too.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Dave:
By his own account, he was
a walking wounded. IOW, his wounds were something that just about everyone
received. I have a friend that tripped and ripped open his leg on some
re-bar.
When getting it patched up, they asked if it happened during combat. He
said no. But, if they didn't ask him, he would have been rewarded the PH

Sorry, Chief, we differ here. All wounds count. Some are less disabling
than others, less disfiguring than others, but all of them are important if
its your body that's bleeding, however little.

I was foolish enough not to demand mine be written up. I carry the metal
but not the medals. If I had it to do over again, I'd grab someone in the
rear echelon by the throat and not let go until I had the paperwork copies
in hand. Anyone who was wounded, however lightly, deserves that Purple
Heart.

The Silver Star is different. Medal such as the Bronze and Silver Stars
were handed out like candy in some units during Vietnam.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

My father-in-law was a forward
artillery observer in WW2, & found himself bleeding on more than one
occasion. No doubt he could have and should have received the PH, but was
never put in for it. I suppose it partly depends on the inclination of the
CO.

Joe F.

Right on both suppositions.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
rw writes:
..
They weren't. So, when he waves his stump and hollers about his wounds
and
stuff, he is being a phony.

Dave, this is beneath you. Which I say as one who also has said some stupid
**** in the heat of an arguement.

Dave

Scott Seidman wrote:

Willi wrote in news:403b9929$0$198$75868355
@news.frii.net:


I pretty much stay out of these political threads,


Actually, you started a political thread last week!

Scott



You're right. I didn't even remember and had to check.

I guess I do need to get out.

Willi

Ken Fortenberry writes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/24/po...gn/24COMB.html

What am I so despicable about? I know he saved a guy (Green Beret, I believe),
but I am questioning his actions to receive the Silver Star. The VC was shot
with a .50 caliber. If it doesn't kill you immediately, you will die very
quickly from loss of blood. It makes a big hole going in and an even bigger
hole going out. That entire article talked about his service, but there was
only one sentence for what he did to receive the Silver Star. The entire
article should have been *about* the Silver Star. Saving the Green Beret more
is more than enough to get the Bronze Star. I'm surprized he also didn't get
the Soldier/Sailor medal for doing it. But it is the Silver Star actions that
have many wondering exactly how he did that. You do not get a Silver Star for
killing a wounded VC. As far as his PHs are concerned, they were scratches,
but if he got three PHs he could go home. You do the math.

Did you know that LBJ received the Silver Star for flying in a bomber as a
passenger?
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

Stev writes:

Sorry, Chief, we differ here. All wounds count. Some are less disabling
than others,

Agreed, but the re-bar wasn't a combat wound. If he told the docs it WAS a
combat wound, regardless how he received it, he would have been awarded the PH.
(He has one anyway.) I have friends that are still carrying small chunks and
don't have the PH.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html