Newbie leader question

On Nov 14, 9:47 am, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:14:23 -0800, Mike
wrote:





On 14 Nov, 16:43, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On 14 Nov 2007 15:29:20 GMT, Scott Seidman

wrote:
The next time you store them on your reel, you'll find the same problem.
You'll need to find some way to deal with it on the stream. Simple
stretching, or passing them through your fingers with the intention of
heating them up a little with friction really does the trick.

If you straighten them with hot water and then coil them for storage
in your vest, you will still have memory. If you can not get up
enough heat with your fingers, there are leader straighteners on the
market. The trouble with them, however, is that you can not control
the heat. Too much heat and you damage the leader. It's best to use
your fingers, and if you do not *feel* the heat, you are not applying
enough pressure with your fingers. When you placed the leaders in hot
water, what do you think straightened them? The heat. There is no
hot water on a stream, so a leader straightener or your fingers are
the only solution.

Where are you fishing using 7x, and what for, Dave?

Dave

All nylon has memory, it is an intrinsic property of thermoplastics.
One can not remove it, one can merely program the nylon memory to
another shape. The melting point of nylon is between 190°C-350°C
374°F-663°F so you can boil it for hours without having any adverse
affect on it.

Wrong. Mono absorbs water, even when in water at fishing temps, and in
boiling water, it'll absorb more. Boiling it "for hours" will weaken it
to the point of making it useless for the intended purpose. In fact,
placing mono in boiling water for more than a second or two will weaken
it. If you absolutely _insist_ on using hot water (a bad idea), don't
use boiling water and pour the water from the pot/kettle onto the line,
don't put the line into boiling or near-boiling water. But again,
either is not a good idea. He started out with leaders that were
_probably_ "bad," and now, the chances are greater that they are "bad."

Attempting to straighten very fine nylon with one´s fingers is not an
easy thing to do, esepcially when the ambient temeprature is low, and
using things like rubber straigtheners etc, can damage the line
considerably.

He already told you that the advice I gave him worked.

No, he stated that he found that it straightened the leaders. I'm sure
it did. That doesn't mean he now has leaders that are OK.

R





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He could **** in his boot and put the leader in it for a while. But
even if the directions for getting the **** out of the boot were
printed on the heel he wouldn't be able to do it.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:44:31 -0800, Mike
wrote:

If the material is "kinked" then it has been deformed beyond its
intrinsic memory capacity to recover. There is no way to straighten
such a kink completely, because the nylon has lost its memory at that
point. We were talking about "coils", not kinks.

You are correct. My bad. I meant coils, not kinks.

You people are sometimes so stupid that it´s painful to obse

Pure bull****.

Hey, Mike. You know what Gehrke would do if dropping the leader in
hot water was the only way to straighten it? He'd design a streamside
heater of some kind. Now's your chance, Bunkie, to outdo the
Ginkster. d;o)

On 14 Nov, 19:05, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:37:28 -0800, Mike
wrote:

If you straighten them in hot water, and then place them back in the
packets, and keep them in a cool place, they will have much less
tendency to coil.

So, are you telling us that Dave must bring a stove to stream side to
heat water to straighten his leaders after it has been stored for
awhile on his reel, or in its package, and then he has to "keep them
in a cool place"? I suggest in addition to the stove to heat the
water that he also bring along a cooler with dry ice to store his
leaders in.

*Millions* of flyfishers have straightened their leaders with their
fingers for *at least 60 years* (when I began flyfishing). I know not
a soul who has heated them streamside or stored them on his body in a
cool place.

Bottom line: If Dave can not straighten his leaders with his fingers
*like everyone else does*, and like he has done in the past, he should
return the leaders from whence they came, and ask for newer ones. He
has already stated that the packaging "was different" or words to that
effect.

Millions of people, for hundreds of years believed the earth was
flat., or that the sun moved around the earth. Just because a lot of
people believe or do something does not make it right or sensible.

Now if you don´t mind I have had more than enough bull**** for today,
so I will hie me hence and engage in more productive endeavours.

MC

"Larry L" wrote in message
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As for landing trout on 7X, I landed quite a few honestly over 20" without
problem

Still water or river?
You're pretty good Larry.
You got to be using a full flex fly-rod?

I lost a good size leopard trout in Alaska when the 5x tippet snapped with a
sudden turn of the head. Had a full flex bamboo rod even. At first I thought
I hooked a Salmon, until it came out of the water.

I have used 6x tippet, but I don't think I would ever use 7x tippet on a
river.
-tom

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:51:04 -0800, Mike
wrote:

Mr. Kistner, you may of course do as you please, you can even listen
to these idiots if you wish, but if you want any more advice on fly-
fishing from me, then send me an e-mail. I just can´´t be bothered
with these dumbos any more.

Well, he's finally learned your name, Dave. Took him awhile. You
used to be OP. d;o)

Translation of above: "I can not compete with them because they are
right. Straighten out your leader with hot water, but one you coil it
up again, the coiled memory will return. I have no solution to uncoil
it streamside."

Who do you wanna trust, Dave? A clown that has learned much about
flyfishing but has never actually used it streamside, or a bunch of
assholes who fish hurdred of days a year and can answer any question
simply because they have lived the same experience.

Dave

On 14 Nov, 19:11, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:44:31 -0800, Mike
wrote:

If the material is "kinked" then it has been deformed beyond its
intrinsic memory capacity to recover. There is no way to straighten
such a kink completely, because the nylon has lost its memory at that
point. We were talking about "coils", not kinks.

You are correct. My bad. I meant coils, not kinks.



You people are sometimes so stupid that it´s painful to obse

Pure bull****.

Hey, Mike. You know what Gehrke would do if dropping the leader in
hot water was the only way to straighten it? He'd design a streamside
heater of some kind. Now's your chance, Bunkie, to outdo the
Ginkster. d;o)

I did not say that was the only way to straighten it LaCourse, I said
it was the easiest and most effective, which it is.

Bye bye dumbo.

MC

On Nov 14, 10:12 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers.
Scott
Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location.

I'll third that. I have one of those "leader straightener" things
that I'll use sometimes on a stubburn piece, but usually just a firm
squeeze with the fingers will do the trick. Using fingers has the
added benefit of giving you tactile feedback as to the friction warmth
being generated.

The caution is that you do need to ease up as you progress down to the
thinner sections. I confess to snapping more than one perfectly good
leader by holding just a bit too tightly.

Joe F.

Mike wrote:

I did not say that was the only way to straighten it LaCourse, I said
it was the easiest and most effective, which it is.

Well, that much we can agree on. Placing a leader in very hot
water, your advice, *is* an easy and most effective way to
straighten it.

Unfortunately, it is also an easy and most effective way to
trash it. There is a very good reason for never getting your
leader any hotter than your bare fingers can tolerate.

Bye bye dumbo.

Ah, you handle disagreement so well, I wonder why experienced
fly fishermen consider you a laughingstock ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"BJ Conner" wrote in message
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Just store your leader in an ANSI 45.2 level III facility and it will
stay in good condition.


Haven't heard an ANSI term for quite awhile outside of work.
We're ANSI Y14.5M Dimensioning & Tolerancing.
-tom

Has ANSI been supplanted by ISO?

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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On Nov 14, 10:12 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers.
Scott
Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location.

I'll third that. I have one of those "leader straightener" things
that I'll use sometimes on a stubburn piece, but usually just a firm
squeeze with the fingers will do the trick. Using fingers has the
added benefit of giving you tactile feedback as to the friction warmth
being generated.

The caution is that you do need to ease up as you progress down to the
thinner sections. I confess to snapping more than one perfectly good
leader by holding just a bit too tightly.

Joe F.


One of the funniest things I've seen on leader straightening. One cold
winter morning we were on the Trinity River, CA. We were rigging our
fly-rods, when my friend zips open his polar vest, grabs a leader from
around his neck which went all the way through his underwear and down his
right pant leg. Guess that was enough heat to straighten anything.
-tom