Rod length in small creek fishing

Tim J. wrote:

... There's nothing
wrong with the KPOS 3wt. It's a good rod; especially good for the price paid.
...

Nothing wrong except it casts like a dog, looks like **** and the goddamn
reel seats fall off. Other than that, yeah, it's a steal at twice the price.

;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Tim J. wrote:


... There's nothing
wrong with the KPOS 3wt. It's a good rod; especially good for the
price paid.
...


Nothing wrong except it casts like a dog, looks like **** and the goddamn
reel seats fall off. Other than that, yeah, it's a steal at twice the
price.


Don't think would ever fished it enough to comment on its function, and
if you did I find it hard to believe you gave it a fair test. I saw the
look on your face at the first Yellowstone Clave when Snoop offered the
rod to you to cast. It's not an action I especially like but it's a
decent casting rod. I also think it's a good rod for a beginner to start
with because of its action, the user can feel what he's doing. When Bill
came out to Colorado, he brought a friend with him who was VERY
inexperienced. He wasn't able to cast at all with the rod he had. I
tried to help him with no success. Then I gave him the KPOS and he was
immediately able to made some halfway decent casts.

I agree that it does lack in "quality" and "looks like ****" but IMO,
Sages "look like ****" especially when considering the price. Looks
don't equate with function.

Willi

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
Tim J. wrote:

... There's nothing
wrong with the KPOS 3wt. It's a good rod; especially good for the price
paid.
...

Nothing wrong except it casts like a dog, . . .

Since in this thread we're talking about casting in small, bushy streams where
the length of the leader is about all you're throwing, I wouldn't think casting
action would have much influence. In cases where I just need 10-30 feet of
casting, the KPOS works fine.

. . . looks like **** . . .

Ahhhh, now we're at the heart of the matter. ;-)

. . . and the goddamn reel seats fall off.

I haven't seen complaints about that for years, and I haven't experienced the
problem. Probably a bad batch.

Other than that, yeah, it's a steal at twice the price.

I agree. It's also a great rod to keep in the back of the car / truck for those
unexpected fishing opportunities. If it gets damaged, lost, or stolen it's no
big $$ loss.
--
TL,
Tim
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On 2/19/04 10:56 AM, in article
, "Ken Fortenberry"
wrote:

Tim J. wrote:

... There's nothing
wrong with the KPOS 3wt. It's a good rod; especially good for the price paid.
...

Nothing wrong except it casts like a dog, looks like **** and the goddamn
reel seats fall off. Other than that, yeah, it's a steal at twice the price.

;-)

Kinda like ROFF itsownself, if you think about it.

Bill

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:56:53 -0700, rw
wrote:

Peter Charles wrote:

I wouldn't dream of using the rod to yank a fly free from a branch,
but that wasn't my question. Since this Canuckistanni ass got tarred
with that brush also, why your "Yankee" response?

I will NOT let you bait me into a ****ing contest with that pommie twit. :-)

You've already into the ****ing contest, you didn't need me to help
you start it. I wa just curious why you felt compelled to turn a
****ing contest between two fishermen into a ****ing contest between
two nationalities.



Peter

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Peter Charles wrote:

I wa just curious why you felt compelled to turn a
****ing contest between two fishermen into a ****ing contest between
two nationalities.

History.

I knew I was doing the wrong thing when I wrote that "yankee" comment,
but I had no idea it would **** off a Canuckistani. :-)

Lazarus's post was provocative. I think he meant it to be so. I couldn't
resist puncturing his Pommie arrogance. :-)

This thread is, IMO, one of the best I've seen on ROFF in recent months,
despite Lazarus's opinion. The lesson I've learned from it is that
everyone has their own unique opinion about how to fish small streams,
and how to retrieve snagged flies. :-) For my part, I'll just use my
trusty workhorse Sage Sp 5wt 8.5' and pull on the line.

I don't much like really small, brushy streams. They can be an
entertaining pastime, and they can hold a few large fish, but they're a
lot of trouble. My ideal stream size is a "river" that is just large
enough that I can't wade across. Then, if I don't catch fish, I can
rationalize it by thinking they're all in those unreachable eddy pools
on the other side.

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This has been quite an interesting thread, yes indeed. I think am I
now better aware of the pros and cons of different rods. A short
recap:

_Pros of lighter line ratings_ (weights 0-3) Better suited for typical
(small) fish in these streams. Probably also greater enjoyment of the
feeling of lightness in casting etc.

_Pros of heavier line ratings_ (weights 4-5) The use of these rods
increases your chances when trying to land the occasional big one (you
wish). Facilitate the use of big flies. Of course also better
resistance to wind. Some consider that the heavier classes have better
casting properties: they think that these classes enable better roll
casts and maybe also help in reaching some difficult spots under tree
branches etc.

_Pros of short rods_ (max. 7'6", maybe?) Easier to handle in bushy
streams, easier to fight and land fish, easier to move around in bushy
environments. In general, less hassle.

_Pros of long rods_ Facilitate the use of techniques that require
reach, such as dapping and upstream nymphing. I think that long rods
also enable one to retrieve flies when they are stuck high - not by
using force but by giving one a chance to "lift" the fly off.

_Rod material_ This wasn't really discussed that much in this
thread. I know that many small-stream anglers consider slow rods to be
the best, since they load with small amounts of line - or, in the case
of bamboo, even with just the leader. Such slow rods are available at
least in fiberglass and bamboo. I don't know whether the very short
carbon fibre rods, say 6'-6'6", are too stiff for these purposes.

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"rw" wrote

Americans by and large (aside from Red Sox fans and Southerners) don't
consider "yankee" to be a slur, even when it comes from a Canadian. :-)


*now* i know why daytripper got so ****ed when i called him a yankee
upon our first meeting...

wayno

"Peter Charles" wrote...
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I remember going through a length thread years back on whether short
or long rods were best for small streams -- a dapping vs. casting
argument. Nothing was resolved then either.

If anyone was looking for resolution of *anything*, this sure as hell wouldn't
be the place to seek it.
--
TL,
Tim
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"Peter Charles" wrote...
snip
I remember going through a length thread years back on whether
short
or long rods were best for small streams -- a dapping vs. casting
argument. Nothing was resolved then either.

If anyone was looking for resolution of *anything*, this sure as
hell wouldn't
be the place to seek it.

I agree.

Um.....well, there, THAT'S settled.

Wolfgang