A Plea for help & a head's up

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:32:05 -0700, Willi wrote:



Peter Charles wrote:


Anybody who fishes for steelhead and salmon on the Great Lakes can't
get too snooty about stockers for every damned salmonid swimming the
Great Lakes (Superior coasters excepted)


Are they still working on trying to re-establish healthy population of
Coasters?


Willi



I don't know how much attention they're getting. There's still a
viable population cruising the north shore but I think the south shore
is done.


Peter

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Larry L wrote:


My "negative" attitude about the modern fly fisher has similar elements ....
if it wasn't such a wonderful sport, I wouldn't be interested enough to
point out the weaknesses I do see .... it pays to invest your interest in
the best. FFing is one of the best outdoor activities ..... but, it could
be better. One thing I've discussed with three people publishing "how to"
articles and books is the idea of including more about "ethics" in such
material. Seems to me that we used to learn technique from granddad and dad
and more experienced friends and we ALSO learned how to behave from those
same people. Now, many guys are learning technique from videos and guides
that don't also provide the other types of instruction.


A couple years ago I was fishing a section of river with no one as far
as the eye could see either upstream or down. This young man sees me
fishing, pulls over and after suiting up, wades in the river about
twenty feet upstream of me and starts fishing. I asked him what he was
doing and he commented that he was going to fish the head of the pool. I
was flabbergasted but decided just to find another piece of water,
hoping that he wouldn't be following me.

After I cooled down, I tried to figure out WTF he was doing. There was
no one out and I probably cover close to a mile of river without running
into another angler. I came to the conclusion that he was a new angler
and that he probably learned to fly fish on our heavily fished "Gold
Medal" waters. Many new anglers are learning how to FF on "famous"
waters that are usually crowded. People tend to "gang up" on these
waters and share productive runs. The "manners" you learn on a crowded
river aren't the "manners" to use in other situations or maybe the
"manners" have just changed.

Willi

Willi wrote:


A couple years ago I was fishing a section of river with no one as far
as the eye could see either upstream or down. This young man sees me
fishing, pulls over and after suiting up, wades in the river about
twenty feet upstream of me and starts fishing.

at least out there you can usually detect easily and at a good distance
when someone drops in on you. in most of the places we hunt trout in nc,
because of the vegetation and configuration of the streams, it's tough
to know where or when folks drop in. we generally figure it out by the
sudden end in catching fish and by spotting wet footprints on the
streamside rocks and boulders. rarely do we see anyone actually drop in.

once, wally and i planned on an all day assault fishing trek up a
lengthy stretch of water we thought we could control almost to the end
if we started early enough. the creek ran through a deep ravine tough to
enter anywhere except where we started and where we were going to exit.
we got in the water at first light... at about 3 pm, we stopped catching
fish. we hiked upstream at a rapid pace, started seeing wet footprints,
and finally discovered two guys who had bushwacked from the ridge down
into the stream so they could fish back upstream to their car... same
thing we were doing, only we were making it a full day project. it was
tough to be upset with those younguns because we knew what they had to
get through in order to start where they did - we had done it once
before. they probably didn't know any better, but they also probably
didn't know we were below them on the water...and we had a good day
before they started catching "our fish" g. we were ****ed only because
we didn't succeed in our grand and painful scheme of fishing the entire
2-3 miles of the stream. we climbed out of the stream, sat by the truck
in very pleasant surroundings for more than an hour, drank cold, cold
beer, talked about silly stuff like harry crews and wally's years of
managing a band, and silently acknowledged our good fortune for having
those hours on a carolina mountain stream.

jeff

Jeff Miller wrote:

snipped we climbed out of the stream, sat by the truck
in very pleasant surroundings for more than an hour, drank cold, cold
beer, talked about silly stuff like harry crews and wally's years of
managing a band, and silently acknowledged our good fortune for having
those hours on a carolina mountain stream.

jeff


those were the day's my friend.... dadadada...

that was a good adventure.

floated the catawba yesterday.... easier on these old bones ;-)

wally

went shad fishing yesterday with pj... the first shad of the season (for
my boat) was caught... but, not by me. dammit.. anyhow, it's time to
plan another fine adventure... what are you doing next weekend (send me
an e-mail)?

jeff

ezflyfisher wrote:



Jeff Miller wrote:

snipped we climbed out of the stream, sat by the truck

in very pleasant surroundings for more than an hour, drank cold, cold
beer, talked about silly stuff like harry crews and wally's years of
managing a band, and silently acknowledged our good fortune for having
those hours on a carolina mountain stream.

jeff


those were the day's my friend.... dadadada...

that was a good adventure.

floated the catawba yesterday.... easier on these old bones ;-)

wally

"Jeff Miller" wrote

we climbed out of the stream, sat by the truck
in very pleasant surroundings for more than an hour, drank cold, cold
beer, talked about silly stuff like harry crews and wally's years of
managing a band, and silently acknowledged our good fortune for having
those hours on a carolina mountain stream.

well formed imagery, bud...

yfitp
wayno ("it's a measure of people who don't understand
the pleasures of life in a hillbilly band..." waylon
jennings, *amanda*)

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:vXm_b.13016$iB.1742@lakeread06...
went shad fishing yesterday with pj... the first shad of the season (for
my boat) was caught... but, not by me. dammit..

i am *amazed* that i haven't yet had a phone call on that little trip...

yfitp
wayno

Jack Tucker wrote in message ...

[delayed harvest] Tis water is currently open
year round to fly fishing and spin fishing with artificial
lures;

If I remember correctly (and the actual wording seems to support),
this is not a true statement about all special regs water
in PA. There is some water designated fly-fishing only.

this group whining that their children have no place to fish.

If my kid lived right next to a special regs place, I might
say the same thing...

to "harvest" by bait fisherman during the period of June 15 through
Labor Day. [ http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Fish_Boat/agd04-01.htm,
not all browsers will work].

The wording on that site:

"The Commission has been approached by members of the Traditional
Anglers of Pennsylvania requesting that regulations pertaining to the
Delayed Harvest programs be modified to permit all tackle during the
mid-June through Labor Day harvest period. Currently, the same tackle
restrictions apply to the harvest period as the remainder of the year;
that is, either fly fishing only or artificial lures only depending on
which program regulations apply to individual waters. The harvest
period is to allow anglers to take trout that otherwise face less
desirable habitat with the onset of warmer water and low flows typical
of most seasonal trout stocked streams during the summer. The
assertion that the stocked trout paid for by general license and trout
stamp dollars and thus all anglers should have equal access to harvest
trout is fundament to the interests of the Traditional Anglers.

In addition to the equity issue, staff believe that the all tackle
provisions during the harvest period might be beneficial in
encouraging traditional anglers to the delayed harvest concept.
Moreover, by mid-June, all tackle activity on these areas should not
be profound because many anglers are less inclined to go trout
angling."

If the "warm water" stuff is real, then why not allow bait during the
harvest period?

IMO, I still believe that these problems would not arise as much if
fly-fishing-only waters did not exist -- rather they should be
artificials only -- the FFO designation only serves to alienate other
fishermen, and internal fights among fishing groups are not going
to help preserve our sports. We have enough attacks from outside as
it is.

Jon.

"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
I've seen really ****-poor behavior from father-son "teams."

That's for sure. Some of the most disturbing behavior I've seen while
fishing is some asshole father teaching his son to be an asshole just like
dad.

Joe F.

Scott Seidman wrote:

When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner right
into our float bucket.

What is "float stocking" ?

--
Ken Fortenberry