No fish

On Sep 15, 1:18*pm, rw wrote:
Todd wrote:

I keep thinking about your letter. *All of the things you
list above can be traced back to someone's religious values.
Typically the ten commandments. *Atheist's values float, so
they do not apply here.

As a converted Pastafarian I subscribe to the eight "I'd Really Rather
You Didn'ts" that are the basis for the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti
Monster:

1.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like a Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou
Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness.

[SNIPPAGE]

RAMEN!
- Ken

Outdoors in Oregon wrote:
On Sep 15, 1:18 pm, rw wrote:

Todd wrote:


I keep thinking about your letter. All of the things you
list above can be traced back to someone's religious values.
Typically the ten commandments. Atheist's values float, so
they do not apply here.

As a converted Pastafarian I subscribe to the eight "I'd Really Rather
You Didn'ts" that are the basis for the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti
Monster:

1.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like a Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou
Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness.


[SNIPPAGE]

RAMEN!
- Ken

May you be touched by His noodly appendage.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Todd wrote:


If you would like an argument for
non-believers, watch a video on an unborn child being
murdered: they try to scream with their unformed
mouths.

oh jeezus fukkin christ todd...you're making me scream with my unformed
mouth.

On Sep 15, 11:46*am, "Fred" wrote:
On 15-Sep-2009, rw wrote:

You don't understand, Todd. Wolfgang's art is in being the most
obnoxious, self-important, asshole dick on ROFF that he can possibly be..
* *In a way it's a beautiful thing. Nearly perfection.

Art

Yeah, art.

I think not

This has been obvious for a long time.

He is like a child playing w his own excrement

Exactly! Damn, I just LOVE it when you do this!

Wolfie is just a pathetic buffoon and a fool.

Nah, I'm a funhouse mirror.....I just reflect.

And even more importantly - a apthetic creep

BOO!

Just killfile the moron

Yeah, like freddie did.....twice in the past day or so.

g.
this one's a lot like stevie......keeps on getting dumber and
dumber......and more and more impotently furious. we like
that.

On Sep 14, 11:34*pm, Bob Blean wrote:


Disclaimer: the following is...

Nicely said. Pearls before swine.....but very nicely put.

g.

On Sep 15, 2:17*pm, Todd wrote:

I keep thinking about your letter. *All of the things you
list above can be traced back to someone's religious values.
Typically the ten commandments. *Atheist's values float, so
they do not apply here.

Nonsense. Atheists' and agnostics' values are as central to their
lives as any of your supposedly god-given commandments.

In fact, those of us who don't believe in your god adhere to our
values not out of fear of some eternal damnation or fear of a holy
smiting, but because we understand that ideals such a "do unto
others", "don't steal", "don't kill", etc. are essential to living a
decent life and helping ensure that our society is one worth living
in.


Chuck Vance

Frank Reid wrote:
How's this one. With my first wife, we had a choice. We found out
during her 7th month of pregnancy that she had a birth defect that if
she gave birth to the baby, it had a 50% chance of killing her.
I chose not to tell her, because I believed she would choose an
abortion. I, a man, not the woman, made the choice for her. She gave
birth and died.

That totally sucks. I am so sorry that happened to you and your wife.

So, you're telling me that a man should make that determination of
life or death for a woman?

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said such a thing.
Everyone has the right to self defense. If your wife had know,
and decided to abort her child to save herself, it would have
been justified.

Have you ever made that choice for someone
you loved based upon moral principle? I did. My wife died.

Frank, not to be contentious, but you should have told your wife.

I WILL
not let you or any other man make that decision for a woman. If your
religion (an show me one that isn't headed up by a man) wishes to do
that, then I'm against it.

I am talking about society, both men and woman. Everyone
has the right to self defense. That those who
oppose us say different, is just dirty politics. They
misrepresent us on the stem cell debate too. We are
trying to stop the sale of children's dead body parts.
The researchers are awash in children's stem cells
from other sources. No one's life has been lost
do to the lack of children's stem cells.

And, yes, "society" should tell anyone that they do not
have the right to kill someone else because they are
causing them "inconvenience", they decide they want
to buy a motorcycle instead, they wanted a girl instead
of a boy, etc. etc. etc.. "Society" also has the
right to tell "a man" he can not leave babies to
die of exposure on hospital tables.

It sucks what happened to your wife. I am so sorry.

-T

Conan The Librarian wrote:
On Sep 15, 2:17 pm, Todd wrote:

I keep thinking about your letter. All of the things you
list above can be traced back to someone's religious values.
Typically the ten commandments. Atheist's values float, so
they do not apply here.

Nonsense. Atheists' and agnostics' values are as central to their
lives as any of your supposedly god-given commandments.

In fact, those of us who don't believe in your god adhere to our
values not out of fear of some eternal damnation or fear of a holy
smiting, but because we understand that ideals such a "do unto
others", "don't steal", "don't kill", etc. are essential to living a
decent life and helping ensure that our society is one worth living
in.


Chuck Vance
Hi Chuck,

Man left to his own devices will eventually find the correct path.
I do believe that was Robes Pierre. Look what it
has brought on us: Hitler and his merry band of socialists ~25
million murders, the Soviets socialists ~ 70 million murders,
Chinese socialists ~50 million, and on and on. Osama can only
dream of such numbers.

Please "share" my values and not theirs (I don't mean to imply
you do not).

-T

Tom Littleton wrote:
"Todd" wrote in message ...
I heard otherwise several places. I thought it was Rev. Abernathy
that I actually heard it from.

I'm utterly shocked that Ralph Abernathy converses with you.

I heard him over the radio. I was trying to stay accurate
with what I thought he had said. Have you never put
your foot in your mouth?

-T

Todd wrote:
Frank Reid wrote:

So, you're telling me that a man should make that determination of
life or death for a woman?

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said such a thing.
Everyone has the right to self defense. If your wife had know,
and decided to abort her child to save herself, it would have
been justified.
-T

now that's an interesting piece of reasoning todd... about as illogical,
but self-justifying, as one can find on the issue in my opinion. it sure
isn't based on any legal doctrine of self defense i'm familiar with.
so, uh, if you and i happen to be in a state of shared dire
circumstances, and killing you will save me, you'll understand that i
was simply defending myself when i abort your life...have i got that
right todd?